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	<title>Comments on: Is There A Place To Repent? (Or Must I Make This Journey Alone?)</title>
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		<title>By: Sensus Divinitatis News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sensus Divinitatis News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Is There A Place To Repent? (Or Must I Make This Journey Alone?)...&lt;/strong&gt;

This post was chosen as newsworthy at Sensus Divinitatis News....</description>
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<p>This post was chosen as newsworthy at Sensus Divinitatis News&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Rushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I just wonder how many leaders/church members think that temptation = sin.&lt;/I&gt;

The percentage is probably far more than is healthy for the church.  Any time you hear someone start to equate temptation with sin proper, remind them that Jesus Christ was tempted in &lt;B&gt;every way possible&lt;/B&gt;, but He was still sinless; not giving in to the the temptation is always the key.

In fact, I would not be surprised if Satan, who can only be at one place at any time, followed Jesus everywhere He went during his earthly ministry, constantly throwing temptations at Him in hopes of making Him slip up somehow just once.  It is amazing to think that even one act of gluttony (i.e., eating for pure self-indulgence) or covetousness on His part would have completely disqualified Him as Savior!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just wonder how many leaders/church members think that temptation = sin.</i></p>
<p>The percentage is probably far more than is healthy for the church.  Any time you hear someone start to equate temptation with sin proper, remind them that Jesus Christ was tempted in <b>every way possible</b>, but He was still sinless; not giving in to the the temptation is always the key.</p>
<p>In fact, I would not be surprised if Satan, who can only be at one place at any time, followed Jesus everywhere He went during his earthly ministry, constantly throwing temptations at Him in hopes of making Him slip up somehow just once.  It is amazing to think that even one act of gluttony (i.e., eating for pure self-indulgence) or covetousness on His part would have completely disqualified Him as Savior!</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Rushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;In past churches Iâ€™ve belonged to, the process of coming clean with your sins as a Christian primarily took the form of â€œre-dedication.â€ You only walk the aisle to re-dedicate yourself if you feel youâ€™ve been a really bad sinner; occasional â€œslip-upsâ€ didnâ€™t constitute the need.&lt;/I&gt;

I can so relate to that practice in churches I have attended.  It seems to be the confessional method of choice at Christian youth retreats, too.  I told my teenaged niece (who is a Christian) that if she ever needed to confess some sin in her life and repent from it, she did not need to make a big show of doing it via an explicit &quot;rededication.&quot;  There is nothing about walking an aisle in front of a large group of people with somber music playing that makes repentance more valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In past churches Iâ€™ve belonged to, the process of coming clean with your sins as a Christian primarily took the form of â€œre-dedication.â€ You only walk the aisle to re-dedicate yourself if you feel youâ€™ve been a really bad sinner; occasional â€œslip-upsâ€ didnâ€™t constitute the need.</i></p>
<p>I can so relate to that practice in churches I have attended.  It seems to be the confessional method of choice at Christian youth retreats, too.  I told my teenaged niece (who is a Christian) that if she ever needed to confess some sin in her life and repent from it, she did not need to make a big show of doing it via an explicit &#8220;rededication.&#8221;  There is nothing about walking an aisle in front of a large group of people with somber music playing that makes repentance more valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Rushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Also related to this tangentially, what does anyone here think about the school of Christian counseling that believes a person canâ€™t begin to be helped in any way really unless they get right spiritually/ with Jesus first?&lt;/I&gt;

Although I am not a professional counselor by any means, many friends of mine come to me for advice with various life issues, and I have no choice but to offer different advice to fellow Christians than I offer to non-Christian friends who are not open to accepting Christ, the latter choosing to go it on their own rather than looking to God for support and guidance.

Of course, there are many things that a non-believer can do to improve their life situation: switch occupations, give up a bad habit (or usually swap it for a less bad habit), break off a destructive relationship, and so forth.  However, even if they get all of their other ducks in a row, there will still be this huge, persistent, God-shaped hole in their heart and a dominating sinful nature that cannot be effectively challenged through worldly means.

I am convinced that the only way to find lasting joy, peace, and contentment, the kind that the Apostle Paul exhibited even while imprisoned, is through reconcilation with Father God through Jesus Christ; the world offers no real substitute for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also related to this tangentially, what does anyone here think about the school of Christian counseling that believes a person canâ€™t begin to be helped in any way really unless they get right spiritually/ with Jesus first?</i></p>
<p>Although I am not a professional counselor by any means, many friends of mine come to me for advice with various life issues, and I have no choice but to offer different advice to fellow Christians than I offer to non-Christian friends who are not open to accepting Christ, the latter choosing to go it on their own rather than looking to God for support and guidance.</p>
<p>Of course, there are many things that a non-believer can do to improve their life situation: switch occupations, give up a bad habit (or usually swap it for a less bad habit), break off a destructive relationship, and so forth.  However, even if they get all of their other ducks in a row, there will still be this huge, persistent, God-shaped hole in their heart and a dominating sinful nature that cannot be effectively challenged through worldly means.</p>
<p>I am convinced that the only way to find lasting joy, peace, and contentment, the kind that the Apostle Paul exhibited even while imprisoned, is through reconcilation with Father God through Jesus Christ; the world offers no real substitute for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have gained so much from the Lutheran practice of individual absolution and confession.

A distinction: in Lutheran practice, there is no advice offered or penance required. Also, there is no attempt to counsel or heal the sinner. All it is is Christ&#039;s word of forgiveness spoken FOR YOU by the pastor. Confession of individual sins is not required, but is certainly allowed.

I don&#039;t believe this is the only way that Christ forgives our sins, but it is a way that makes our forgiveness very, very clear.

Despite the blessings of individual confession and absolution, many Lutherans, even confessional Lutherans, remain very uncomfortable with this practice and suspect that it is &quot;too Roman.&quot;

Of course, true repentence is never easy or comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have gained so much from the Lutheran practice of individual absolution and confession.</p>
<p>A distinction: in Lutheran practice, there is no advice offered or penance required. Also, there is no attempt to counsel or heal the sinner. All it is is Christ&#8217;s word of forgiveness spoken FOR YOU by the pastor. Confession of individual sins is not required, but is certainly allowed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe this is the only way that Christ forgives our sins, but it is a way that makes our forgiveness very, very clear.</p>
<p>Despite the blessings of individual confession and absolution, many Lutherans, even confessional Lutherans, remain very uncomfortable with this practice and suspect that it is &#8220;too Roman.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, true repentence is never easy or comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Stoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Stoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...well, thank you for the kind words.  I wasn&#039;t rying to give you the correct definition or even my working definition on repentance so much as I was just trying to express my view of it via scripture in my last paragragh there--if it helped so be it--glad I could do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;well, thank you for the kind words.  I wasn&#8217;t rying to give you the correct definition or even my working definition on repentance so much as I was just trying to express my view of it via scripture in my last paragragh there&#8211;if it helped so be it&#8211;glad I could do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would also add that it makes it easier, for me at least, when the person hearing the confession is a woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would also add that it makes it easier, for me at least, when the person hearing the confession is a woman.</p>
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		<title>By: Jjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been blessed enough to have a pastor who is very good at hearing confessions.  Many of her sermons have the theme of forgiveness (since there are a lot of wounded people at this church), and so she is good at listening to &#039;it&#039;, no matter how bad &#039;it&#039; may be, and gently offering advice and comfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been blessed enough to have a pastor who is very good at hearing confessions.  Many of her sermons have the theme of forgiveness (since there are a lot of wounded people at this church), and so she is good at listening to &#8216;it&#8217;, no matter how bad &#8216;it&#8217; may be, and gently offering advice and comfort.</p>
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		<title>By: Kozak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kozak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on target, iMonk.  I&#039;m one of those &quot;surprising&quot; sinners you listed, and a pillar of my congregation.  Struggle with it constantly, wouldn&#039;t dream of mentioning it to anyone at church.    A formal confessional would be good &quot;cover&quot; to mention stuff like this.  Out-loud confession makes me feel like I&#039;ve got an ally in the fight.  Oftentimes I feel like a horrible Christian, a poor advertisement for Christ in the faith marketplace.  Also got nailed once in Sunday School:  asked what it meant if you had to repeatedly repent of the same sin.  One guy said it meant I hadn&#039;t truly repented or God would have sanctified me and kept me from that sin.  I&#039;ve despised him ever since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on target, iMonk.  I&#8217;m one of those &#8220;surprising&#8221; sinners you listed, and a pillar of my congregation.  Struggle with it constantly, wouldn&#8217;t dream of mentioning it to anyone at church.    A formal confessional would be good &#8220;cover&#8221; to mention stuff like this.  Out-loud confession makes me feel like I&#8217;ve got an ally in the fight.  Oftentimes I feel like a horrible Christian, a poor advertisement for Christ in the faith marketplace.  Also got nailed once in Sunday School:  asked what it meant if you had to repeatedly repent of the same sin.  One guy said it meant I hadn&#8217;t truly repented or God would have sanctified me and kept me from that sin.  I&#8217;ve despised him ever since.</p>
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		<title>By: luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle,

as a post-Evangelical and a recent Catholic convert I totally understand your allure to the sacrament of Confession in the Catholic Tradition. what&#039;s more, I can tell you from experience that it is every bit as humbling, cleansing, and rejuvenating as it appears from the outside.

the way I prepare for Confession - one of the ways they showed us during RCIA - is to spend at least 20 minutes in prayer and reflection. good ways to start are to reflect on the 10 Commandments and the Beatitudes, but Confession is nowhere near as &#039;legalistic&#039; as some people might think. we don&#039;t just run thru the lists of rules and check a box next to each we&#039;ve broken. take time to think about each, and how it helps in our relationship with God and with others. so it&#039;s not just &#039;have I committed adultery?&#039; but &#039;have I loved women and men in my life as God&#039;s daughters and sons? or have I lusted for them? have I incited lust in others? have I celebrated love with my own spouse as a figure of God&#039;s love, or have I treated them as a sexual object?&#039;

I tend to think of the &#039;small sins&#039; in a similar way to &#039;small sins&#039; in my human relationships. does drinking around some of your friends damage your relationship with them? does getting drunk? sometimes these things are trivial, but other times they&#039;re not. I think iMonk is right - there&#039;s room for contextualizing to the culture. when you pray and reflect in a spirit of repentance, ask yourself for your intentions in the &#039;small sins&#039; - are you turning from God or neglectfully ignoring God by commission or omission?

God has given us His Spirit, which proceeds from the Loving relationship of the Father and Son. I believe if we reflect on ourselves for a while, we&#039;ll know pretty well when we&#039;ve broken or bruised that Love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle,</p>
<p>as a post-Evangelical and a recent Catholic convert I totally understand your allure to the sacrament of Confession in the Catholic Tradition. what&#8217;s more, I can tell you from experience that it is every bit as humbling, cleansing, and rejuvenating as it appears from the outside.</p>
<p>the way I prepare for Confession &#8211; one of the ways they showed us during RCIA &#8211; is to spend at least 20 minutes in prayer and reflection. good ways to start are to reflect on the 10 Commandments and the Beatitudes, but Confession is nowhere near as &#8216;legalistic&#8217; as some people might think. we don&#8217;t just run thru the lists of rules and check a box next to each we&#8217;ve broken. take time to think about each, and how it helps in our relationship with God and with others. so it&#8217;s not just &#8216;have I committed adultery?&#8217; but &#8216;have I loved women and men in my life as God&#8217;s daughters and sons? or have I lusted for them? have I incited lust in others? have I celebrated love with my own spouse as a figure of God&#8217;s love, or have I treated them as a sexual object?&#8217;</p>
<p>I tend to think of the &#8216;small sins&#8217; in a similar way to &#8216;small sins&#8217; in my human relationships. does drinking around some of your friends damage your relationship with them? does getting drunk? sometimes these things are trivial, but other times they&#8217;re not. I think iMonk is right &#8211; there&#8217;s room for contextualizing to the culture. when you pray and reflect in a spirit of repentance, ask yourself for your intentions in the &#8216;small sins&#8217; &#8211; are you turning from God or neglectfully ignoring God by commission or omission?</p>
<p>God has given us His Spirit, which proceeds from the Loving relationship of the Father and Son. I believe if we reflect on ourselves for a while, we&#8217;ll know pretty well when we&#8217;ve broken or bruised that Love.</p>
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