October 24, 2017

Internet Monk Radio Podcast #162

podcast_logo.gifThis week: 7 Ways to Hate or Leave Evangelicalism When You Don’t Need To + How has your sense of calling evolved?

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Comments

  1. I like that you said prima scriptura. I think that is close to my position.

    I don’t know how I understand my “call to ministry” except in a very broad and general since. I think I dropped the idea that God wants me to do a certain thing. I am also disappointed with church growth paradigms.

    Wanting to leave evangelicalism is tough. I tend not to identify myself as one in my mind, but I do attend, and feel like I need to be, in a broadly evangelical church for the time being. It has been a good thing that I am. In many ways, I am learning to re-appreiciate evangelicalism.

    Still though, I feel that I need to attend liturgical high churches for the major holy days. I actually feel alienated when I realize that Easter is simply a recruitment ceremony for non-believers, and almost disregards the need for Christians to form and intimate community between eachother and God.

  2. Just caught CNN for a minute and cousin Billy Bob says he heard the podcast and doesn’t need your book for the barbecue–a copy of the manuscript will suffice. He also said if you show up he’ll let you throw in a few books you’d like to burn as well and give you one minute to promote your book for every minute he gets to curse it for the whole country to see (not sure if it will make Hulu).

    Your last line of thought was a perfect ending to what I thought was a very helpful podcast again.

    “…not going to change the minds of people, don’t even want to try. Because the cost would be too high to my ability to share the gospel, and the gospel is what puts all of these things into perspective. You’ll never know why we can have a different attitude about science than fundamentalists have if you don’t understand that the gospel is what adds the value to everything we do or takes away the value from what is not valuable.”

  3. RE: the issue of call – I pretty much sign up for the approach of Os Guiness here. I am becoming quite uncertain about a special kind of call for pastors and missionaries. The people in my church try to put me up there as their pastor. It used to be said (and maybe still is) that we need to emphasize our call or else if things get tough we’ll quit. How about making a commitment and fighting through the hard time? Will manufacturing a call keep us on the job?

    RE: evangelical hate – if you want more fuel for your fire in being frustrated with evangelicalism, read Warren Cole Smith’s new book, “A Lover’s Quarrel With The Evangelical Church.” A great book, but tough to read.

  4. I am somewhat puzzled by how you seem to contrast “evangelical” and “Anglican”, or “evangelical” and “Lutheran”.

    Leaving aside the recent developments in TEC and ELCA and equivalent jurisdictions in other countries I have always understood both Anglicanism and Lutheranism to include a sizable “evangelical” camp or faction, which on the Anglican side, for example, has produced such notable people as J.I.Packer or John Stott. I am more familiar with German Lutheranism, and today, one of the most effective evangelists in Germany, respected and looked up to by Evangelicals of all stripes is a Lutheran (Ulrich Parzany).

    Perhaps we need to go back to an older definition of Evangelical that stresses not so much church growth and an enterpreneurial model of ministry but rather the need for both personal conversion and the community of the church; not so much the culture wars but rather the Gospel of Grace.

    Conservative Anglicans talk about the “revisionism” rampant in TEC; calling Joel Osteen and others like him Evangelical is also revisionism and we need to resist it by becoming “re-asserters” of all that is good and healthy about classic Evangelicalism.