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	<title>Comments on: Internet Monk Radio Podcast #158</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen &quot;Ray Comfort&#039;s Banana&quot; -- one of the funniest unintentional &quot;Ambiguously Gay Duo&quot;-style skits ever recorded.

(In fanfic, there&#039;s this thing called &quot;slash&quot; -- gay erotica fanfics &quot;shipping&quot; any two same-sex leads in a book, movie, or TV show:  Kirk-slash-Spock (which originated the name), Cagney-slash-Lacey, Starsky-slash-Hutch, Luke-slash-Han, Frodo-slash-Sam, you name it.  They say if you have two male characters in the same story, some fanboy (usually a fangirl) will try to Slash it.  WHY DO THEY INSIST ON MAKING IT EASY FOR THE SLASHIES?  RAY COMFORT&#039;S BANANA ACT JUST SCREAMS &quot;SLASH ME!&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen &#8220;Ray Comfort&#8217;s Banana&#8221; &#8212; one of the funniest unintentional &#8220;Ambiguously Gay Duo&#8221;-style skits ever recorded.</p>
<p>(In fanfic, there&#8217;s this thing called &#8220;slash&#8221; &#8212; gay erotica fanfics &#8220;shipping&#8221; any two same-sex leads in a book, movie, or TV show:  Kirk-slash-Spock (which originated the name), Cagney-slash-Lacey, Starsky-slash-Hutch, Luke-slash-Han, Frodo-slash-Sam, you name it.  They say if you have two male characters in the same story, some fanboy (usually a fangirl) will try to Slash it.  WHY DO THEY INSIST ON MAKING IT EASY FOR THE SLASHIES?  RAY COMFORT&#8217;S BANANA ACT JUST SCREAMS &#8220;SLASH ME!&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Spencer, 

As I was listening to your  podcast- what came to my mind after a while is that you hold strong feelings towards YEC-ists for a plethora of reasons, some founded, some maybe not. But is it not true with the example you gave towards the end of the podcast that the fault does not lie necessarily with the concept of a &#039;literal creation&#039; but the lack of &quot;love&quot; shown by those individuals...by them not listening and honestly dealing with the scientific questions reasonably and for not properly judging a person as a christian  if they believe only this, this, and this, instead of believing that  fundamentally it is a condition of the heart that God in Jesus by His Spirit gave/ and will teach the individual and keep him from falling? And not hold over him &quot; your not one of us if you do not etc...&quot; because periphery things may not always be agreed upon but it is a proper, biblical, coherent view of the gospel that is our life blood?

Myself- I am philosophically a Creationist because I need a few questions answered before I can accept an old earth...I am not approaching it scientifically...I have a great respect for reasonable science.  But it would not be coherent for me philosophically to abandon Î— Î•Î¾Î±Î®Î¼ÎµÏÎ¿Ï‚ Î”Î·Î¼Î¹Î¿Ï…ÏÎ³Î¯Î± just yet...because of the way I am reading Scripture...if it can be reasonably and coherently shown different, without bastardizing the text,  I am willing to change! I do not believe that in order for one to be a christian that they need to accept a young earth creation in order to be a brother or sister with me that would be absurd....one time I did believe the opposite but that was my foolish sin...to inform you!

Thank you!

Sincerely,
Reid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Spencer, </p>
<p>As I was listening to your  podcast- what came to my mind after a while is that you hold strong feelings towards YEC-ists for a plethora of reasons, some founded, some maybe not. But is it not true with the example you gave towards the end of the podcast that the fault does not lie necessarily with the concept of a &#8216;literal creation&#8217; but the lack of &#8220;love&#8221; shown by those individuals&#8230;by them not listening and honestly dealing with the scientific questions reasonably and for not properly judging a person as a christian  if they believe only this, this, and this, instead of believing that  fundamentally it is a condition of the heart that God in Jesus by His Spirit gave/ and will teach the individual and keep him from falling? And not hold over him &#8221; your not one of us if you do not etc&#8230;&#8221; because periphery things may not always be agreed upon but it is a proper, biblical, coherent view of the gospel that is our life blood?</p>
<p>Myself- I am philosophically a Creationist because I need a few questions answered before I can accept an old earth&#8230;I am not approaching it scientifically&#8230;I have a great respect for reasonable science.  But it would not be coherent for me philosophically to abandon Î— Î•Î¾Î±Î®Î¼ÎµÏÎ¿Ï‚ Î”Î·Î¼Î¹Î¿Ï…ÏÎ³Î¯Î± just yet&#8230;because of the way I am reading Scripture&#8230;if it can be reasonably and coherently shown different, without bastardizing the text,  I am willing to change! I do not believe that in order for one to be a christian that they need to accept a young earth creation in order to be a brother or sister with me that would be absurd&#8230;.one time I did believe the opposite but that was my foolish sin&#8230;to inform you!</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Reid</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
I disagree with your point of view.  I do agree that we as the Church should not be sidetracked into the culture war, and that the focus of the gospel presentation should be on what God has done for us, not what we can do for God.   However,  apologetics is a broad field that Creation Science fits into.  To believe that modern science is pure science and not propaganda is naive.  Apologetics has a place in renewing our minds as well as stimulating the thought of the lost to examine their own lost assumptions.  All these people who you say are feeling like they are being rejected by another faith community because they do not embrace creationism and a belief in a young Earth I have not seen. Ken Ham has pointed out in his book, &quot;They Are Already Gone,&quot; that we have a generation that who believe the propaganda of government schools is truth and that the Bible is only good for moral stories, but is not the inerrant inspired Word of God.  All knowledge begins with assumptions of faith that we call a premise.  The secular scientific community begins their scientific process with the assumption that there is no God.   The accuracy of the premise determines the accuracy of the conclusions.   Creation Science begins with both the assumption that there is a God who created everything, but also, that this God is the God declared in the Bible.  With that assumption they also proceed with the assumption that the God of the Bible is also capable of creating a document that is inerrant and inspired by Him.

I do not accept every theory of Creation Science as true.  For I recognize that all theories are not facts but systems based upon hypothesizes of facts.  However, I put more credence in a theory beginning with the Bible than the imagination and propaganda of secular atheists with an agenda to convince everyone that there is no God who created everything nor an accountability to that God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I disagree with your point of view.  I do agree that we as the Church should not be sidetracked into the culture war, and that the focus of the gospel presentation should be on what God has done for us, not what we can do for God.   However,  apologetics is a broad field that Creation Science fits into.  To believe that modern science is pure science and not propaganda is naive.  Apologetics has a place in renewing our minds as well as stimulating the thought of the lost to examine their own lost assumptions.  All these people who you say are feeling like they are being rejected by another faith community because they do not embrace creationism and a belief in a young Earth I have not seen. Ken Ham has pointed out in his book, &#8220;They Are Already Gone,&#8221; that we have a generation that who believe the propaganda of government schools is truth and that the Bible is only good for moral stories, but is not the inerrant inspired Word of God.  All knowledge begins with assumptions of faith that we call a premise.  The secular scientific community begins their scientific process with the assumption that there is no God.   The accuracy of the premise determines the accuracy of the conclusions.   Creation Science begins with both the assumption that there is a God who created everything, but also, that this God is the God declared in the Bible.  With that assumption they also proceed with the assumption that the God of the Bible is also capable of creating a document that is inerrant and inspired by Him.</p>
<p>I do not accept every theory of Creation Science as true.  For I recognize that all theories are not facts but systems based upon hypothesizes of facts.  However, I put more credence in a theory beginning with the Bible than the imagination and propaganda of secular atheists with an agenda to convince everyone that there is no God who created everything nor an accountability to that God.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael-
Great podcast.  I was particularly interested in the creationist topic.  As a physician-scientist I had similar questions about the validity of creationism soon after becoming a Christ follower, not particularly prior to however.  Thankfully the truth in love I experienced early in my walk and my certainty in what Christ has done overpowered any questions I had or still have about creationism. Despite this I am certain it would have created a stir if I brought it up among my crew of Christian friends. 

I believe we have much more to gain in telling others about what has been clearly revealed in Christ than speculating or debating on what has not.   From what I&#039;ve seen of Ray Comfort on youtube, it seems he keeps the gospel at the forefront and creationism secondary (on the defensive).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael-<br />
Great podcast.  I was particularly interested in the creationist topic.  As a physician-scientist I had similar questions about the validity of creationism soon after becoming a Christ follower, not particularly prior to however.  Thankfully the truth in love I experienced early in my walk and my certainty in what Christ has done overpowered any questions I had or still have about creationism. Despite this I am certain it would have created a stir if I brought it up among my crew of Christian friends. </p>
<p>I believe we have much more to gain in telling others about what has been clearly revealed in Christ than speculating or debating on what has not.   From what I&#8217;ve seen of Ray Comfort on youtube, it seems he keeps the gospel at the forefront and creationism secondary (on the defensive).</p>
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		<title>By: tmn6</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmn6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh Ross.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Zook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Zook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting podcast Michael, especially the part about the Cameron/Comfort edition...I totally concur with your statements along these lines... &quot;It&#039;s all about the culture war [...] which has nothing to do with preaching the gospel&quot; and the implications that go with those lines.
Those thoughts and the related issues grieve me everytime I ponder them.   In my opinion the cultural warriors and the willing participants and their pet crusades have neven been about bringing people into the kingdom and making disciples of Christ.  No, I think at its roots, it&#039;s mostly been about preserving a comfortable, often materialistic, persecution-free, insulated, &quot;dirt-free&quot; family, church, and community lifestyle.  It&#039;s also been about maintaining a culturally domineering position in these united states (in order to make it appear christian) which sadly appears at times to be more important than the nitty-gritty of the kingdom of God.  And then I think of the millions, maybe even billions of dollars that cultural warriors have spent trying to &quot;save&quot; america...and my throat constricts.  I&#039;m not saying we should be totally silent but the last 30+ years have been a bad case of misplaced priorities...and what have we gained?  This may be overly bold (and I don&#039;t have a survey or data to back it up) but I have a suspicion that all this cultural warring has turned far more people towards outright agnosticism/atheism than anything that secular science/humanism has been able to do.
    
Finally, what did Jesus do when the majority of His culture rejected Him?  I believe He allowed them to freely choose that course.  There were consequences of course, and the rejectors suffered but they could not say that they had turned from an angry, coercive, manipulating or domineering Jesus.  The only impression I can see them having would be of the humble, loving, inviting Jesus.  He and His followers did not &quot;make war&quot; for or against a culture.  They didn&#039;t run for office or legislate this or that, or out-media blitz anyone.  They just lived a counter-culture and that was enough to turn things upside-down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting podcast Michael, especially the part about the Cameron/Comfort edition&#8230;I totally concur with your statements along these lines&#8230; &#8220;It&#8217;s all about the culture war [...] which has nothing to do with preaching the gospel&#8221; and the implications that go with those lines.<br />
Those thoughts and the related issues grieve me everytime I ponder them.   In my opinion the cultural warriors and the willing participants and their pet crusades have neven been about bringing people into the kingdom and making disciples of Christ.  No, I think at its roots, it&#8217;s mostly been about preserving a comfortable, often materialistic, persecution-free, insulated, &#8220;dirt-free&#8221; family, church, and community lifestyle.  It&#8217;s also been about maintaining a culturally domineering position in these united states (in order to make it appear christian) which sadly appears at times to be more important than the nitty-gritty of the kingdom of God.  And then I think of the millions, maybe even billions of dollars that cultural warriors have spent trying to &#8220;save&#8221; america&#8230;and my throat constricts.  I&#8217;m not saying we should be totally silent but the last 30+ years have been a bad case of misplaced priorities&#8230;and what have we gained?  This may be overly bold (and I don&#8217;t have a survey or data to back it up) but I have a suspicion that all this cultural warring has turned far more people towards outright agnosticism/atheism than anything that secular science/humanism has been able to do.</p>
<p>Finally, what did Jesus do when the majority of His culture rejected Him?  I believe He allowed them to freely choose that course.  There were consequences of course, and the rejectors suffered but they could not say that they had turned from an angry, coercive, manipulating or domineering Jesus.  The only impression I can see them having would be of the humble, loving, inviting Jesus.  He and His followers did not &#8220;make war&#8221; for or against a culture.  They didn&#8217;t run for office or legislate this or that, or out-media blitz anyone.  They just lived a counter-culture and that was enough to turn things upside-down.</p>
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		<title>By: Obed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Are you familiar with the ministry of Reasons to Believe?  They&#039;re old-Earth creationists with a whole mess of scientists with Ph.D&#039;s in various scientific disciplines who do look at both the Bible and nature to provide a model of creation that is both consistant with Scripture and science.  I&#039;ve been enjoying the podcasts by their lead scientist (an astronomer who&#039;s name escapes me right now) called &quot;More than a Theory.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Are you familiar with the ministry of Reasons to Believe?  They&#8217;re old-Earth creationists with a whole mess of scientists with Ph.D&#8217;s in various scientific disciplines who do look at both the Bible and nature to provide a model of creation that is both consistant with Scripture and science.  I&#8217;ve been enjoying the podcasts by their lead scientist (an astronomer who&#8217;s name escapes me right now) called &#8220;More than a Theory.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iMonk Michael,

I got an uber-gnarly case of poison ivy while mountain biking in Chattanooga a few years ago. I searched the web for remedies and the best I found was the lowly hot air hair dryer. After showering, turn the blow dryer on maximum hot and hold it as close to the rash spots for as long as you can stand. This dries out the blemishes and feels amazingly soothing. Then apply a topical analgesic. Hey, it worked for me. As someone said concerning poison ivy, &quot;Do nothing and it&#039;ll take about 10 days to get over it. Treat it with your best remedies and count on about a week and a half until its gone&quot;. Almost as irritating are the ongoing antics of the YEC crowd to make their theology part of the membership requirements to The Redeemed. I&#039;ll bet the Comfort/Cameron edition of &quot;The Origin of Species&quot; will sell a ton (to other YECs). Oh, well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iMonk Michael,</p>
<p>I got an uber-gnarly case of poison ivy while mountain biking in Chattanooga a few years ago. I searched the web for remedies and the best I found was the lowly hot air hair dryer. After showering, turn the blow dryer on maximum hot and hold it as close to the rash spots for as long as you can stand. This dries out the blemishes and feels amazingly soothing. Then apply a topical analgesic. Hey, it worked for me. As someone said concerning poison ivy, &#8220;Do nothing and it&#8217;ll take about 10 days to get over it. Treat it with your best remedies and count on about a week and a half until its gone&#8221;. Almost as irritating are the ongoing antics of the YEC crowd to make their theology part of the membership requirements to The Redeemed. I&#8217;ll bet the Comfort/Cameron edition of &#8220;The Origin of Species&#8221; will sell a ton (to other YECs). Oh, well.</p>
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		<title>By: greg r</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very strong insights; I share your hope for a &quot;thinking Christianity&quot;, 

great points, Michael, and my prediction is: there will EITHER be a &quot;raucous conversation&quot; , or at least the beginnings of one, OR folks will slowly vote with their feet, and their time/wallet.  Not reject their faith, but a top-down dominated form of it.  The times, they are a changin&#039;.....maybe if they&#039;d been a changin&#039; a little faster, Mr.Dylan wouldn&#039;t have chosen the Kaballah over the bible.  

Greg R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very strong insights; I share your hope for a &#8220;thinking Christianity&#8221;, </p>
<p>great points, Michael, and my prediction is: there will EITHER be a &#8220;raucous conversation&#8221; , or at least the beginnings of one, OR folks will slowly vote with their feet, and their time/wallet.  Not reject their faith, but a top-down dominated form of it.  The times, they are a changin&#8217;&#8230;..maybe if they&#8217;d been a changin&#8217; a little faster, Mr.Dylan wouldn&#8217;t have chosen the Kaballah over the bible.  </p>
<p>Greg R</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miguel, are you attempting to warp our fragile little minds? ;-)</description>
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