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	<title>Comments on: In the Classroom: Three Stories, Othello and A Christian Approach To Literature</title>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hurrah!!  A Christian instructor teaching critical thinking!

Why shouldn&#039;t Christians study Shakespeare?  The Bible is just as full of stories about adultery, murder, treachery, etc.  It&#039;s the overriding narrative that&#039;s instructive in the Bible or the classics.

I have a BA in Drama, and I studied Shakespeare at the Central School of Speech &amp; Drama in London, and I have to say I have never read such an enlightening review of Othello.

Well done Michael, and welcome back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurrah!!  A Christian instructor teaching critical thinking!</p>
<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t Christians study Shakespeare?  The Bible is just as full of stories about adultery, murder, treachery, etc.  It&#8217;s the overriding narrative that&#8217;s instructive in the Bible or the classics.</p>
<p>I have a BA in Drama, and I studied Shakespeare at the Central School of Speech &#038; Drama in London, and I have to say I have never read such an enlightening review of Othello.</p>
<p>Well done Michael, and welcome back.</p>
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		<title>By: One Salient Oversight</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Salient Oversight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it that your record of your teaching does not include things like: 
&quot;Be quiet Joshua or I&#039;ll send you to the principal&quot;; 
&quot;Stop looking at those older boys out the window, Megan&quot;; 
&quot;No you have to wait until the bell before you can go to the bathroom Jacob!&quot;; 
&quot;I do NOT smell like rotten fish Oliver!&quot;

Your next mission, if you are willing to accept it, is to show them &quot;The Big Lebowski&quot; (at your home, of course), and ask them the same questions which will, of course, be just as applicable.

BTW - have you seen the movie &quot;Saved&quot; yet? It&#039;s a good laugh, even if it is a parody of a stereotype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it that your record of your teaching does not include things like:<br />
&#8220;Be quiet Joshua or I&#8217;ll send you to the principal&#8221;;<br />
&#8220;Stop looking at those older boys out the window, Megan&#8221;;<br />
&#8220;No you have to wait until the bell before you can go to the bathroom Jacob!&#8221;;<br />
&#8220;I do NOT smell like rotten fish Oliver!&#8221;</p>
<p>Your next mission, if you are willing to accept it, is to show them &#8220;The Big Lebowski&#8221; (at your home, of course), and ask them the same questions which will, of course, be just as applicable.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; have you seen the movie &#8220;Saved&#8221; yet? It&#8217;s a good laugh, even if it is a parody of a stereotype.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s just at least state that the case for Shakespeare having been a Protestant or a Roman Catholic is famously inconclusive, but that a fair reading of the plays themselves edges speculation towards Protestant.  Certainly it can be stated very stronlgy that the Calvinism that entered English life surprisingly early was as much a spark to the creativity and invention and discovery and general dynamic character of Elizabeth the I&#039;s England as any other influence, and Shakespeare was not immune to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just at least state that the case for Shakespeare having been a Protestant or a Roman Catholic is famously inconclusive, but that a fair reading of the plays themselves edges speculation towards Protestant.  Certainly it can be stated very stronlgy that the Calvinism that entered English life surprisingly early was as much a spark to the creativity and invention and discovery and general dynamic character of Elizabeth the I&#8217;s England as any other influence, and Shakespeare was not immune to that.</p>
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		<title>By: imonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>imonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recent Biographies of Shakespeare- Woods and Rosenblatt particularly- have convinced me that the evidence for Shakespeare&#039;s FAMILY&#039;S Catholicism is unshakable. A testament of Catholic faith, distributed by Jesuit missionaries, was found in the Shakespeare home. For years, no one knew what it was, but now we know it was a vow to be a loyal Catholic, and it was apparently signed by John Shakespeare. We know Shakespeare&#039;s daughter married a Puritan, but we also know she was prosecuted before her marrige for refusing to attend church on required feasts.

WS&#039;s mother&#039;s family, the Arden&#039;s, were imprisoned and suffered some executions as Catholic plotters. (Though they were probably innocent.) Shakespeare&#039;s trail of Catholic patrons and friends is convincing, as is his purchase, in the last years of his life, of the largest Catholic &quot;safehouse&quot; in London in the district of the Blackfriar&#039;s theater.

I&#039;m convinced that WS was reluctantly caught up in this, and it is one of the reasons he is such a low profile figure throughout his life. As to his own sympathies and beliefs? Who knows? Hamlet did study in Wittenberg :-) it is hard for me to see WS as a devout Christian. He appears to be greatly affected by the religious conflicts of his time, and what he had seen them do to his country, his family and his art.

With Shakespeare, all is a mystery and we all get to play the game. It&#039;s fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent Biographies of Shakespeare- Woods and Rosenblatt particularly- have convinced me that the evidence for Shakespeare&#8217;s FAMILY&#8217;S Catholicism is unshakable. A testament of Catholic faith, distributed by Jesuit missionaries, was found in the Shakespeare home. For years, no one knew what it was, but now we know it was a vow to be a loyal Catholic, and it was apparently signed by John Shakespeare. We know Shakespeare&#8217;s daughter married a Puritan, but we also know she was prosecuted before her marrige for refusing to attend church on required feasts.</p>
<p>WS&#8217;s mother&#8217;s family, the Arden&#8217;s, were imprisoned and suffered some executions as Catholic plotters. (Though they were probably innocent.) Shakespeare&#8217;s trail of Catholic patrons and friends is convincing, as is his purchase, in the last years of his life, of the largest Catholic &#8220;safehouse&#8221; in London in the district of the Blackfriar&#8217;s theater.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that WS was reluctantly caught up in this, and it is one of the reasons he is such a low profile figure throughout his life. As to his own sympathies and beliefs? Who knows? Hamlet did study in Wittenberg <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  it is hard for me to see WS as a devout Christian. He appears to be greatly affected by the religious conflicts of his time, and what he had seen them do to his country, his family and his art.</p>
<p>With Shakespeare, all is a mystery and we all get to play the game. It&#8217;s fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thoroughly enjoyed reading this, Michael.  I attended a Baptist college where I minored in English and had the opportunity to take a Shakespeare class.  None of my English professors brought this level of theological depth and clarity to the task of studying literature.  Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thoroughly enjoyed reading this, Michael.  I attended a Baptist college where I minored in English and had the opportunity to take a Shakespeare class.  None of my English professors brought this level of theological depth and clarity to the task of studying literature.  Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Pendell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Pendell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Sunday in church I heard the following sermon illustration: 

&quot;A woman planted a tree and watered it every day, but somehow it never grew. 

It turned out that what she thought was fertilizer was cement.  No matter how much water she put in, the plant died. 

We&#039;re like that. We put all kinds of bad stuff in our soil and we don&#039;t read enough Bible.  So you need to put away that worldly stuff and read the Bible.&quot;  


Well, after a sermon like that, how can anyone have an excuse to read anything BUT the Bible?  

It&#039;s a message I&#039;ve been getting all my life in church sermons -- that&#039;s not what they say, but that is what I, in my head, hear.  That I have to put away my Terry Pratchett and my Tolkien and just read the word.  

So I appreciate articles like this. It&#039;s a much-needed counterbalance. 

Besides which -- I find that reading other works helps me appreciate the Bible more, not less.

Respectfully, 

Brian P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Sunday in church I heard the following sermon illustration: </p>
<p>&#8220;A woman planted a tree and watered it every day, but somehow it never grew. </p>
<p>It turned out that what she thought was fertilizer was cement.  No matter how much water she put in, the plant died. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re like that. We put all kinds of bad stuff in our soil and we don&#8217;t read enough Bible.  So you need to put away that worldly stuff and read the Bible.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, after a sermon like that, how can anyone have an excuse to read anything BUT the Bible?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a message I&#8217;ve been getting all my life in church sermons &#8212; that&#8217;s not what they say, but that is what I, in my head, hear.  That I have to put away my Terry Pratchett and my Tolkien and just read the word.  </p>
<p>So I appreciate articles like this. It&#8217;s a much-needed counterbalance. </p>
<p>Besides which &#8212; I find that reading other works helps me appreciate the Bible more, not less.</p>
<p>Respectfully, </p>
<p>Brian P.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OSO,

I love &quot;Lebowski,&quot; but I&#039;ve had a difficult time marrying it and &quot;The Master Story&quot; successfully (short of an exhortation to &quot;abide&quot;).  I&#039;d be curious to hear where you&#039;d go with The Dude and Jesus.

Michael,

Great post, as usual.  I like discussions like this, but what films would you apply to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OSO,</p>
<p>I love &#8220;Lebowski,&#8221; but I&#8217;ve had a difficult time marrying it and &#8220;The Master Story&#8221; successfully (short of an exhortation to &#8220;abide&#8221;).  I&#8217;d be curious to hear where you&#8217;d go with The Dude and Jesus.</p>
<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Great post, as usual.  I like discussions like this, but what films would you apply to this?</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Films?
Oh my. Too many to list.

A lot of them would be here.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalreview.com/conservative_movies/conservative_movies.shtml&quot;&gt;http://www.nationalreview.com/conservative_movies/conservative_movies.shtml&lt;/a&gt;

But certainly not all.

I use Contact in my classes to teach this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Films?<br />
Oh my. Too many to list.</p>
<p>A lot of them would be here.<br />
<a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/conservative_movies/conservative_movies.shtml">http://www.nationalreview.com/conservative_movies/conservative_movies.shtml</a></p>
<p>But certainly not all.</p>
<p>I use Contact in my classes to teach this.</p>
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		<title>By: Joi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. I remember as a kid, I was completely absorbed in Greek and Roman mythology. People worried about me reading about these pagan gods, but my wonderful mother politely told them that it was classic literature and that they should mind their own business.

Those myths have stood me in good stead for many years, and allowed me to understand Plato, Ovid, and Shakespeare much better than I would have otherwise.

Hooray for the classics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. I remember as a kid, I was completely absorbed in Greek and Roman mythology. People worried about me reading about these pagan gods, but my wonderful mother politely told them that it was classic literature and that they should mind their own business.</p>
<p>Those myths have stood me in good stead for many years, and allowed me to understand Plato, Ovid, and Shakespeare much better than I would have otherwise.</p>
<p>Hooray for the classics!</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael..can you send me a quick email? I had a fairly substancial run in with James White and I wanted to discuss it. Mac@azotuscafe.com 
Thanks dude,
Mac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael..can you send me a quick email? I had a fairly substancial run in with James White and I wanted to discuss it. <a href="mailto:Mac@azotuscafe.com">Mac@azotuscafe.com</a><br />
Thanks dude,<br />
Mac</p>
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