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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Thinking Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-at-christian-science-monitor-podcast-icon/comment-page-2#comment-396458</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinking Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Other Front In the Culture Wars...&lt;/strong&gt;

Four Strategies for Christians In a Changing World: 
A talk given this morning at the Chapel at Kingsmill, Williamsburg, VA.
Links to articles referenced in the talk:
The Coming Evangelical Collapse
Christianity Today&#8217;s Response
Also, at about 26...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Other Front In the Culture Wars&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Four Strategies for Christians In a Changing World:<br />
A talk given this morning at the Chapel at Kingsmill, Williamsburg, VA.<br />
Links to articles referenced in the talk:<br />
The Coming Evangelical Collapse<br />
Christianity Today&#8217;s Response<br />
Also, at about 26&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;AT Chaffee - the Jesuits? Who do you think are the go-betweens between the Reptiloids and the puny humans? &lt;/i&gt; -- Martha

The Hollow-Earth Reptoids&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotoids&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Organic Robotoid&lt;/a&gt; Duplicates, of course.

&lt;i&gt;Martha, I thought you were kidding but apparently someone claims George W. Bush and Princess Diana are/were really shape-shifting lizards.&lt;/i&gt; -- AT Chaffee

Ah, yes, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_icke&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Icke&lt;/a&gt;.  Since &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_E._Dec&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Francis E Dec Esq&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s demise, THE absolutely WEIRDEST conspiracy theorist on the scene.  You DO know he also claims you can see through the Reptoids&#039; human disguises by using massive doses of LSD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>AT Chaffee &#8211; the Jesuits? Who do you think are the go-betweens between the Reptiloids and the puny humans? </i> &#8212; Martha</p>
<p>The Hollow-Earth Reptoids&#8217; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotoids" rel="nofollow">Organic Robotoid</a> Duplicates, of course.</p>
<p><i>Martha, I thought you were kidding but apparently someone claims George W. Bush and Princess Diana are/were really shape-shifting lizards.</i> &#8212; AT Chaffee</p>
<p>Ah, yes, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_icke" rel="nofollow">David Icke</a>.  Since <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_E._Dec" rel="nofollow">Francis E Dec Esq</a>&#8217;s demise, THE absolutely WEIRDEST conspiracy theorist on the scene.  You DO know he also claims you can see through the Reptoids&#8217; human disguises by using massive doses of LSD?</p>
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		<title>By: Walter poe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter poe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like your article...I have been doing a lot of research on this topic. I am a member of a Lay community(Lay Cistercians of Gethsemani Abbey)  and we are seeing a huge increase into memebership so I have been tasked to do research on this issue. 

PLaces like Simple life and other communities are starting to emerge. A lot of small groups are starting to meet at home which resemble back to Scripture of the Early Church in Acts. This is how the church begain in the home. I am convinced that more communities will emerge as more people are called to this way of life...

Unfortunatly because we had such an Aweful President for 8 years a lot of people are seeing these communities emerge for support reasons...I am glad the Christian Evangelical movement is being torn apart. They have been too judgmental and increasingly corrupt in the Gospels...I think the Christian Evangelical is a pre-curser to the Anti-Christ in the near future....

Wonderful Article.....Thanks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like your article&#8230;I have been doing a lot of research on this topic. I am a member of a Lay community(Lay Cistercians of Gethsemani Abbey)  and we are seeing a huge increase into memebership so I have been tasked to do research on this issue. </p>
<p>PLaces like Simple life and other communities are starting to emerge. A lot of small groups are starting to meet at home which resemble back to Scripture of the Early Church in Acts. This is how the church begain in the home. I am convinced that more communities will emerge as more people are called to this way of life&#8230;</p>
<p>Unfortunatly because we had such an Aweful President for 8 years a lot of people are seeing these communities emerge for support reasons&#8230;I am glad the Christian Evangelical movement is being torn apart. They have been too judgmental and increasingly corrupt in the Gospels&#8230;I think the Christian Evangelical is a pre-curser to the Anti-Christ in the near future&#8230;.</p>
<p>Wonderful Article&#8230;..Thanks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AT Chaffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>AT Chaffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha, I thought you were kidding but apparently someone claims George W. Bush and Princess Diana are/were really shape-shifting lizards.

http://www.sherryshriner.com/sherry/faction-three.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha, I thought you were kidding but apparently someone claims George W. Bush and Princess Diana are/were really shape-shifting lizards.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sherryshriner.com/sherry/faction-three.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sherryshriner.com/sherry/faction-three.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Obed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iMonk,

For whatever it&#039;s worth, I just heard Glenn Beck discussing the article on his show.  I didn&#039;t catch the whole thing, just his intro.  I have a feeling his spin on it is... interesting, though.  He said &quot;I&#039;ve got something from the Christian Science Monitor&quot; and then started talking about religion and the alleged leftist adgenda to kick it out of America.  I was thinking &quot;I bet the article he&#039;s gonna talk about is iMonk&#039;s.&quot; And sure enough, it was.  I was in the car long enough to hear the title of the article and confirm my expectation, but that&#039;s it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iMonk,</p>
<p>For whatever it&#8217;s worth, I just heard Glenn Beck discussing the article on his show.  I didn&#8217;t catch the whole thing, just his intro.  I have a feeling his spin on it is&#8230; interesting, though.  He said &#8220;I&#8217;ve got something from the Christian Science Monitor&#8221; and then started talking about religion and the alleged leftist adgenda to kick it out of America.  I was thinking &#8220;I bet the article he&#8217;s gonna talk about is iMonk&#8217;s.&#8221; And sure enough, it was.  I was in the car long enough to hear the title of the article and confirm my expectation, but that&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: Aliasmoi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aliasmoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay Believer is dead on the money with his post right above mine.

God love you, Martha, you crack me up sometimes.  I swear you need your own blog.

Having said that: /Rant On: I get so sick and tired of ignorant people bagging on the Catholic Church.  I went to Catholic School in New Jersey until 10th grade.  Until I was 12, my family didn&#039;t go to church.  Until I was 12, the Catholic Church was my ONLY consistent exposure to Christianity.  From the Catholic Church I learned that Jesus Christ is the one and only Son of God, my Lord.  That God the Father loved me so much that He sent His only Son to die in my place for my sins, and even if I&#039;d been the only person on earth, He would have still done it.  That&#039;s how much He loved me.  That sounds pretty dag-gone Christian to me.

When the schools in the city I lived in were unsafe, the Catholic Church educated me.  When my family didn&#039;t have enough food to eat, the Catholic Church fed us.  When my little brother died and my family didn&#039;t have money for a funeral - the Catholic Church paid for it - even though we are not Catholic.  That seems like pretty Christ-like behavior to me.

It was when I was 12 and my mother started dragging me to that Church of God that I got this idea of God as mean old man who was just waiting for the second I was screwing up for the Rapture to happen, so He could leave me here.  All of a sudden, the nuns who had educated me, kept me safe, and loved me my whole life were *bad* and *not Christian.*  How is that right?  How is it Christ-like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay Believer is dead on the money with his post right above mine.</p>
<p>God love you, Martha, you crack me up sometimes.  I swear you need your own blog.</p>
<p>Having said that: /Rant On: I get so sick and tired of ignorant people bagging on the Catholic Church.  I went to Catholic School in New Jersey until 10th grade.  Until I was 12, my family didn&#8217;t go to church.  Until I was 12, the Catholic Church was my ONLY consistent exposure to Christianity.  From the Catholic Church I learned that Jesus Christ is the one and only Son of God, my Lord.  That God the Father loved me so much that He sent His only Son to die in my place for my sins, and even if I&#8217;d been the only person on earth, He would have still done it.  That&#8217;s how much He loved me.  That sounds pretty dag-gone Christian to me.</p>
<p>When the schools in the city I lived in were unsafe, the Catholic Church educated me.  When my family didn&#8217;t have enough food to eat, the Catholic Church fed us.  When my little brother died and my family didn&#8217;t have money for a funeral &#8211; the Catholic Church paid for it &#8211; even though we are not Catholic.  That seems like pretty Christ-like behavior to me.</p>
<p>It was when I was 12 and my mother started dragging me to that Church of God that I got this idea of God as mean old man who was just waiting for the second I was screwing up for the Rapture to happen, so He could leave me here.  All of a sudden, the nuns who had educated me, kept me safe, and loved me my whole life were *bad* and *not Christian.*  How is that right?  How is it Christ-like?</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Believer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gay Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing that I think needs to be considered is the current, highly-contentious, internal structure of Christianity as a whole. Various denominations devote HUGE amounts of time and effort to converting Christians from one denomination to another.

I can see how this would play into the numbers in this study. If a Methodist switches and becomes a Baptist then the net increase in the number of Christians is ZERO. So when the numbers are analyzed it&#039;s easy to see how Christianity could stagnate if it becomes so internally focused.

Unfortunately Christian denominations can be like individual Apostles having an argument and needing Jesus to tell them to calm down and be nice to each other. Certainly if the goal is to spread Christ&#039;s message then why are Christian denominations so obsessed with becoming exclusive clubs and undercutting their rivals?

In an age of reason sensible people see through all this pettiness and it fills them with a sense of derision. Many denominations claim to possess spiritual truths but are obsessed with worldly politics, money and growth, almost as if they were corporations or political parties rather than churches.

That, in the midst of a global economic crisis that threatens countless people and families with severe hardship churches are pouring money and effort into things like banning same-sex marriage conveys the sense that Christianity doesn&#039;t give a damn about people, just ideology.

In those circumstances, is it really surprising that secularism seems friendlier to people than Christianity?  And why has this been allowed to happen? It almost seems as if a smaller, &quot;purer&quot; Christianity is the intended goal, and not just an accidental outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that I think needs to be considered is the current, highly-contentious, internal structure of Christianity as a whole. Various denominations devote HUGE amounts of time and effort to converting Christians from one denomination to another.</p>
<p>I can see how this would play into the numbers in this study. If a Methodist switches and becomes a Baptist then the net increase in the number of Christians is ZERO. So when the numbers are analyzed it&#8217;s easy to see how Christianity could stagnate if it becomes so internally focused.</p>
<p>Unfortunately Christian denominations can be like individual Apostles having an argument and needing Jesus to tell them to calm down and be nice to each other. Certainly if the goal is to spread Christ&#8217;s message then why are Christian denominations so obsessed with becoming exclusive clubs and undercutting their rivals?</p>
<p>In an age of reason sensible people see through all this pettiness and it fills them with a sense of derision. Many denominations claim to possess spiritual truths but are obsessed with worldly politics, money and growth, almost as if they were corporations or political parties rather than churches.</p>
<p>That, in the midst of a global economic crisis that threatens countless people and families with severe hardship churches are pouring money and effort into things like banning same-sex marriage conveys the sense that Christianity doesn&#8217;t give a damn about people, just ideology.</p>
<p>In those circumstances, is it really surprising that secularism seems friendlier to people than Christianity?  And why has this been allowed to happen? It almost seems as if a smaller, &#8220;purer&#8221; Christianity is the intended goal, and not just an accidental outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Nikirk, ever seen Baron von Greenback in the Dangermouse cartoons?

Imagine the Baron as human, Irish, and female, and now we&#039;re talking.  Though I&#039;m not quite at his level of urbane sophistication, and I&#039;m sorely lacking in minions.  However, thanks to being initiated at birth into the Evilest of All Empires (a.k.a. Catholic baptism), I hope to hold a high position in the New World Order and then have my pick of minions.  Be nice to me, and you could aspire to be my fan-bearer ;-)

AT Chaffee - the Jesuits?  Who do you think are the go-betweens between the Reptiloids and the puny humans? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Nikirk, ever seen Baron von Greenback in the Dangermouse cartoons?</p>
<p>Imagine the Baron as human, Irish, and female, and now we&#8217;re talking.  Though I&#8217;m not quite at his level of urbane sophistication, and I&#8217;m sorely lacking in minions.  However, thanks to being initiated at birth into the Evilest of All Empires (a.k.a. Catholic baptism), I hope to hold a high position in the New World Order and then have my pick of minions.  Be nice to me, and you could aspire to be my fan-bearer <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>AT Chaffee &#8211; the Jesuits?  Who do you think are the go-betweens between the Reptiloids and the puny humans? <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: AT Chaffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>AT Chaffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, congrats IM for the spotlight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, congrats IM for the spotlight!</p>
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		<title>By: AT Chaffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>AT Chaffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Martha, what about the Jesuits?  
Reptiloid overlords?  At least I know now what the dragon in Revelation really symbolizes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Martha, what about the Jesuits?<br />
Reptiloid overlords?  At least I know now what the dragon in Revelation really symbolizes.</p>
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