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		<title>By: rama</title>
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		<dc:creator>rama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.selfmademiracle.com/prosperity/are-you-trying-to-overcome-your-struggle-with-spiritual-prosperity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Spiritual Prosperity&lt;/a&gt; is what we miss out especially when we live in a materialistic world. 

We live in a world that imprints in our mind that prosperity can only be defined by material wealth. What we miss out is that, there is a deeper kind of prosperityâ€”spiritual prosperity, and this is what we need more than financial prosperity. Have spiritual prosperity and everything else will follow.</description>
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<p>We live in a world that imprints in our mind that prosperity can only be defined by material wealth. What we miss out is that, there is a deeper kind of prosperityâ€”spiritual prosperity, and this is what we need more than financial prosperity. Have spiritual prosperity and everything else will follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Geiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Geiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, Sam.  I guess I&#039;ll bite.

&quot;My longings go beyond me and my personal relationship with Jesus. I am part of the body of Christ.&quot;
Ok, you just contradicted yourself.  As a &quot;part of the body of Christ&quot; your longings, really nothing in your life, can go beyond your personal relationship with Jesus.  Longings beyond a personal relationship with Jesus are longings for the world.

I have seen many of these things described. Sorry you have not.
No, no you haven&#039;t.  Perhaps you have seen shadows of these things or perhaps you have seen them evidenced for a short period of time.  For instance:
Someone may have been honest, but you haven&#039;t seen honesty.  There are lies all around you.  Everywhere.
You may have loved but you don&#039;t love.  You have no more perfect love than any of the rest of us.
You may have engaged the senses in a truly God like fashion once or twice but your senses, just like mine, are full of lies, garbage, and trash.

&quot;Just remember â€“ it is not all about just you and Jesus.&quot;
In this case you are absolutely correct.  It&#039;s all about Him.

&quot;As Christ lived and died for others, so may we,&quot;
Exactly my point.  It&#039;s not about MY longings, it&#039;s about His.

Here is a longing, try this one on:
I long to share in His sufferings.

I didn&#039;t see that one on the list above, and that&#039;s not whining.

Romans 8:17
Now if we are children, then we are heirsâ€”heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Sam.  I guess I&#8217;ll bite.</p>
<p>&#8220;My longings go beyond me and my personal relationship with Jesus. I am part of the body of Christ.&#8221;<br />
Ok, you just contradicted yourself.  As a &#8220;part of the body of Christ&#8221; your longings, really nothing in your life, can go beyond your personal relationship with Jesus.  Longings beyond a personal relationship with Jesus are longings for the world.</p>
<p>I have seen many of these things described. Sorry you have not.<br />
No, no you haven&#8217;t.  Perhaps you have seen shadows of these things or perhaps you have seen them evidenced for a short period of time.  For instance:<br />
Someone may have been honest, but you haven&#8217;t seen honesty.  There are lies all around you.  Everywhere.<br />
You may have loved but you don&#8217;t love.  You have no more perfect love than any of the rest of us.<br />
You may have engaged the senses in a truly God like fashion once or twice but your senses, just like mine, are full of lies, garbage, and trash.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just remember â€“ it is not all about just you and Jesus.&#8221;<br />
In this case you are absolutely correct.  It&#8217;s all about Him.</p>
<p>&#8220;As Christ lived and died for others, so may we,&#8221;<br />
Exactly my point.  It&#8217;s not about MY longings, it&#8217;s about His.</p>
<p>Here is a longing, try this one on:<br />
I long to share in His sufferings.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see that one on the list above, and that&#8217;s not whining.</p>
<p>Romans 8:17<br />
Now if we are children, then we are heirsâ€”heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My longings go beyond me and my personal relationship with Jesus.  I am part of the body of Christ.  I have seen many of these things described.  Sorry you have not.  Apparently you have been looking in all the wrong places.  Just remember - it is not all about just you and Jesus.  I&#039;m an old codger too.  As Christ lived and died for others, so may we, and that&#039;s not whining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My longings go beyond me and my personal relationship with Jesus.  I am part of the body of Christ.  I have seen many of these things described.  Sorry you have not.  Apparently you have been looking in all the wrong places.  Just remember &#8211; it is not all about just you and Jesus.  I&#8217;m an old codger too.  As Christ lived and died for others, so may we, and that&#8217;s not whining.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Larry Geiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Geiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an old codger and I suppose that I just didn&#039;t &quot;connect&quot; with your post.  I suppose that my post seemed &quot;snarky&quot; (is that really a word?).  I&#039;m at the place in my life where if the pastor went up front each Sunday and read:

1 Corinthians 15
 1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 
 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 
 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 
 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 
 5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 
 6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 
 7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 
 8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 

then I&#039;d be satisfied.  Confess my sins (not very well), receive absolution (joyfully), make an offering, sing a song and commune.

A song that I like to sing:
I love to tell the story, for those who know it best
Seem hungering and thirsting to hear it like the rest.
And when, in scenes of glory, I sing the new, new song,
â€™Twill be the old, old story that I have loved so long.

I love to tell the story, â€™twill be my theme in glory,
To tell the old, old story of Jesus and His love.

It all boils down to He died, I&#039;m alive.  We are not going to get, or even approach, all those things you long for above.  I guess that a list like that sounds like whining to me.  We all yearn for those kinds of things but we&#039;re never going to see them until &quot;in scenes of glory, I sing the new, new song&quot;.

I apologize if classifying someones longings as whining seems harsh.  Someone out there is longing for their mom to not die.  And she dies.  Someone is longing for a million dollars, buys a lottery ticket and gets a million dollars (someone wins).  I&#039;m not so worried about seeing my longings fulfilled in my church as I am about seeing Christ&#039;s longings for me fulfilled in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an old codger and I suppose that I just didn&#8217;t &#8220;connect&#8221; with your post.  I suppose that my post seemed &#8220;snarky&#8221; (is that really a word?).  I&#8217;m at the place in my life where if the pastor went up front each Sunday and read:</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 15<br />
 1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;<br />
 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.<br />
 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;<br />
 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:<br />
 5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:<br />
 6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.<br />
 7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.<br />
 8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. </p>
<p>then I&#8217;d be satisfied.  Confess my sins (not very well), receive absolution (joyfully), make an offering, sing a song and commune.</p>
<p>A song that I like to sing:<br />
I love to tell the story, for those who know it best<br />
Seem hungering and thirsting to hear it like the rest.<br />
And when, in scenes of glory, I sing the new, new song,<br />
â€™Twill be the old, old story that I have loved so long.</p>
<p>I love to tell the story, â€™twill be my theme in glory,<br />
To tell the old, old story of Jesus and His love.</p>
<p>It all boils down to He died, I&#8217;m alive.  We are not going to get, or even approach, all those things you long for above.  I guess that a list like that sounds like whining to me.  We all yearn for those kinds of things but we&#8217;re never going to see them until &#8220;in scenes of glory, I sing the new, new song&#8221;.</p>
<p>I apologize if classifying someones longings as whining seems harsh.  Someone out there is longing for their mom to not die.  And she dies.  Someone is longing for a million dollars, buys a lottery ticket and gets a million dollars (someone wins).  I&#8217;m not so worried about seeing my longings fulfilled in my church as I am about seeing Christ&#8217;s longings for me fulfilled in my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And besides, &quot;God Hates Fill-in-the-blanks! Turn or Burn!&quot; is more Exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And besides, &#8220;God Hates Fill-in-the-blanks! Turn or Burn!&#8221; is more Exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....sounds to me like the commenter is not far from the Kingdom of God...whats really sad here is that there is no one in this persons life capable to lead him/her through this &quot;wilderness&quot;....but God is able.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.sounds to me like the commenter is not far from the Kingdom of God&#8230;whats really sad here is that there is no one in this persons life capable to lead him/her through this &#8220;wilderness&#8221;&#8230;.but God is able&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hinkle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hinkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know him. He does art, he just doesn&#039;t do enough. (Get drawing! Get drawing!) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know him. He does art, he just doesn&#8217;t do enough. (Get drawing! Get drawing!) <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John

Sorry for the slow reply.  We are in San Diego.  Our small center city group meets in the streets, the park, coffee shops and other neighborhood locations.  We do not have a building, staff and so on, but do not think that is what makes a church.  We are part of the church wherever we are, every minute of every day.  If you are local and want more info, I guess we&#039;ll have to figure out how to do that.

We are not critiquing how others &quot;do church&quot;.  We are just trying to live as we understand Jesus&#039; teachings.  Most churches and church people do not understand this, but the people on the street do.  Some people even tell us we can&#039;t be a church or Christians because they have never seen or heard of churches and Christians who do the kinds of things we do.

One group told my wife and I &quot;You can&#039;t be Christians!  They&#039;re not nice and don&#039;t like us.  But you like us and are nice to us.&quot;  If I tell that story, guess who understands it and who does not (and sometimes even gets angry when they hear it).  So I seldom tell it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John</p>
<p>Sorry for the slow reply.  We are in San Diego.  Our small center city group meets in the streets, the park, coffee shops and other neighborhood locations.  We do not have a building, staff and so on, but do not think that is what makes a church.  We are part of the church wherever we are, every minute of every day.  If you are local and want more info, I guess we&#8217;ll have to figure out how to do that.</p>
<p>We are not critiquing how others &#8220;do church&#8221;.  We are just trying to live as we understand Jesus&#8217; teachings.  Most churches and church people do not understand this, but the people on the street do.  Some people even tell us we can&#8217;t be a church or Christians because they have never seen or heard of churches and Christians who do the kinds of things we do.</p>
<p>One group told my wife and I &#8220;You can&#8217;t be Christians!  They&#8217;re not nice and don&#8217;t like us.  But you like us and are nice to us.&#8221;  If I tell that story, guess who understands it and who does not (and sometimes even gets angry when they hear it).  So I seldom tell it.</p>
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		<title>By: Juanita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juanita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A HUGE difference between 12 step groups and church is the instruction to &quot;Take what you like and leave the rest.&quot;  What church has the courage to say that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A HUGE difference between 12 step groups and church is the instruction to &#8220;Take what you like and leave the rest.&#8221;  What church has the courage to say that?</p>
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