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	<title>Comments on: iMonk 101: Josh Strodtbeck on the Lutheran View of God&#8217;s Sovereignty</title>
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		<title>By: Sensus Divinitatis News</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-101-josh-strodtbeck-on-the-lutheran-view-of-gods-sovereignty/comment-page-1#comment-509148</link>
		<dc:creator>Sensus Divinitatis News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;iMonk 101: Josh Strodtbeck on the Lutheran View of GodÂ’s Sovereignty...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: saymay123</title>
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		<dc:creator>saymay123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sins and punishment  has been paid for by JESUS.I believe GOD causes it to rain on the righteous and unrighteous the same. So who&#039;s to judge? things just happen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sins and punishment  has been paid for by JESUS.I believe GOD causes it to rain on the righteous and unrighteous the same. So who&#8217;s to judge? things just happen!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Stoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Stoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nail on the head Josh S.  &quot;So God is â€œglorifiedâ€ in disasters when they are turned into occasions of preaching the Cross and hope for sinners.&quot;  

I will have to read this several times to grasp what Luther is saying between the lines, but the points you make Michael do make a lot of sense.  As one who has suffered great pain physically and emotionally I can say &quot;Amen&quot; to your saying that offering words of counsel and encouragement when someone is bleeding all over the place is about the worst thing one can do.  Silence is golden in those moments and just being there for the sufferer is priceless.  We want to re-arrange drapes, get a glass of water, get another pillow... do something to ease the pain.  But we can&#039;t and ought to recognize it.  There is nothing more like finger nails on the chalkboard than someone who says &quot;Praise God for it brother&quot; to you when all you feel like doing is cursing God.  

Death never was God&#039;s design no doubt, even though he has chosen to reach in and redeem something so terrible in his good, and most often times I&#039;d say, hidden ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nail on the head Josh S.  &#8220;So God is â€œglorifiedâ€ in disasters when they are turned into occasions of preaching the Cross and hope for sinners.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I will have to read this several times to grasp what Luther is saying between the lines, but the points you make Michael do make a lot of sense.  As one who has suffered great pain physically and emotionally I can say &#8220;Amen&#8221; to your saying that offering words of counsel and encouragement when someone is bleeding all over the place is about the worst thing one can do.  Silence is golden in those moments and just being there for the sufferer is priceless.  We want to re-arrange drapes, get a glass of water, get another pillow&#8230; do something to ease the pain.  But we can&#8217;t and ought to recognize it.  There is nothing more like finger nails on the chalkboard than someone who says &#8220;Praise God for it brother&#8221; to you when all you feel like doing is cursing God.  </p>
<p>Death never was God&#8217;s design no doubt, even though he has chosen to reach in and redeem something so terrible in his good, and most often times I&#8217;d say, hidden ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be helpful to think about what &quot;God&#039;s glory&quot; even means.  Calvinists tend to think of God&#039;s glory in terms of his power or attributes, so God is glorified when he is displaying his dominating control over some aspect of creation, or when some attribute of his is magnified.  Lutherans tend to think of God&#039;s glory in terms of the Gospel--God is glorified when the Cross is preached, when the power of the devil is destroyed, when the grip of sin is broken, and when sinners pass from death into life.

So God is &quot;glorified&quot; in disasters when they are turned into occasions of preaching the Cross and hope for sinners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be helpful to think about what &#8220;God&#8217;s glory&#8221; even means.  Calvinists tend to think of God&#8217;s glory in terms of his power or attributes, so God is glorified when he is displaying his dominating control over some aspect of creation, or when some attribute of his is magnified.  Lutherans tend to think of God&#8217;s glory in terms of the Gospel&#8211;God is glorified when the Cross is preached, when the power of the devil is destroyed, when the grip of sin is broken, and when sinners pass from death into life.</p>
<p>So God is &#8220;glorified&#8221; in disasters when they are turned into occasions of preaching the Cross and hope for sinners.</p>
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		<title>By: Northeasterner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northeasterner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the core of the funeral message should be:

&quot;Joe held firm to the promises of his Savior to forgive his sins and lead him to eternal life. Christ has defeated death and the grave in His death and resurrection. Therefore we can be certain that today Joe is with Christ in heaven and will one day be bodily resurrected.&quot;

I think it is interesting that Jesus wept with grief for Lazarus, even when He knew that Lazarus would be raised from the dead in a few minutes! Death is unnatural, the final product of our sinful lives. It destroys the relationships that sustain us as humans. Death deserves our sorrow and our rage.

But in Christ, death is swallowed up, abolished. Ultimately, our tears will be wiped away and turned to joy.

There it is. Comfort for those who grieve and the saving Gospel proclaimed for all in attendance, without coersion, threat, or heavy-handed proseletyzing. Of course, if you are called upon to perform a funeral for someone who was not a Christian, you would have to take a very different tack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the core of the funeral message should be:</p>
<p>&#8220;Joe held firm to the promises of his Savior to forgive his sins and lead him to eternal life. Christ has defeated death and the grave in His death and resurrection. Therefore we can be certain that today Joe is with Christ in heaven and will one day be bodily resurrected.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it is interesting that Jesus wept with grief for Lazarus, even when He knew that Lazarus would be raised from the dead in a few minutes! Death is unnatural, the final product of our sinful lives. It destroys the relationships that sustain us as humans. Death deserves our sorrow and our rage.</p>
<p>But in Christ, death is swallowed up, abolished. Ultimately, our tears will be wiped away and turned to joy.</p>
<p>There it is. Comfort for those who grieve and the saving Gospel proclaimed for all in attendance, without coersion, threat, or heavy-handed proseletyzing. Of course, if you are called upon to perform a funeral for someone who was not a Christian, you would have to take a very different tack.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why do I stub my toe?&quot;

I do know the answer to that one. Because - like me - the dumb cat trips you, or because - again, like me - you&#039;re too dumb to turn on the light in the middle of the might...     ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why do I stub my toe?&#8221;</p>
<p>I do know the answer to that one. Because &#8211; like me &#8211; the dumb cat trips you, or because &#8211; again, like me &#8211; you&#8217;re too dumb to turn on the light in the middle of the might&#8230;     <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the input Ryan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the input Ryan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-101-josh-strodtbeck-on-the-lutheran-view-of-gods-sovereignty/comment-page-1#comment-508281</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Josh.  Points taken.</description>
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		<title>By: Will S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HUG,  nuance is needed. When Nebuchadnezzar went crazy for 7 years the Israelites understood it to be God&#039;s judgement for his pride. This doesn&#039;t mean that all people with mental problems are being judged for pride. We need a bit of discernment. If you want to call a tornado hitting a hall full of people calling sin good and good sin a coincidence.... feel free. It looks like a gentle divine statement to me. This doesn&#039;t mean that I am saying that all tornadoes are gentle reminders of course (no more than all mental disorders are judgments for pride).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HUG,  nuance is needed. When Nebuchadnezzar went crazy for 7 years the Israelites understood it to be God&#8217;s judgement for his pride. This doesn&#8217;t mean that all people with mental problems are being judged for pride. We need a bit of discernment. If you want to call a tornado hitting a hall full of people calling sin good and good sin a coincidence&#8230;. feel free. It looks like a gentle divine statement to me. This doesn&#8217;t mean that I am saying that all tornadoes are gentle reminders of course (no more than all mental disorders are judgments for pride).</p>
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		<title>By: Jugulum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jugulum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I understand.  You may well be right, about the tendencies among Reformed vs. Lutheran theologians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I understand.  You may well be right, about the tendencies among Reformed vs. Lutheran theologians.</p>
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