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	<title>Comments on: iMonk 101: &#8220;I Hate Theology&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-101-i-hate-theology/comment-page-1#comment-390044</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, sorry: You failed. I still hate theology. Theology is not at all like medicine. Humans need medicine: We do not need theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, sorry: You failed. I still hate theology. Theology is not at all like medicine. Humans need medicine: We do not need theology.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-101-i-hate-theology/comment-page-1#comment-291304</link>
		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you lost me there. You&#039;ll just have to trust me that RC means Roman Catholic, which is all the Catholics I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you lost me there. You&#8217;ll just have to trust me that RC means Roman Catholic, which is all the Catholics I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Giovanni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, &quot;I personally&quot; it is how I feel about it. There are many Catholics that do not find a problem with it, mainly because they know themselves to be Roman Catholic as am I. However I know many Eastern Rite Catholics that would not like it either.

The Catholic Church maybe one big tent but there are many problems in it, the forced Latinization of the 60&#039;s is def one of them. The Baltimore Cathechism remains a matter that is controversial. 

To cut a very long story short, after the 1054 split much of the Church that remained loyal to the Pope in the East was abused by the Western Bishops because they were such a small community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, &#8220;I personally&#8221; it is how I feel about it. There are many Catholics that do not find a problem with it, mainly because they know themselves to be Roman Catholic as am I. However I know many Eastern Rite Catholics that would not like it either.</p>
<p>The Catholic Church maybe one big tent but there are many problems in it, the forced Latinization of the 60&#8217;s is def one of them. The Baltimore Cathechism remains a matter that is controversial. </p>
<p>To cut a very long story short, after the 1054 split much of the Church that remained loyal to the Pope in the East was abused by the Western Bishops because they were such a small community.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&gt;To me personally any time a person refers to any Catholic in this board as an RC I find that insulting.&lt;/em&gt;

What&#039;s insulting about an abbreviation? RC= Roman Catholic? I&#039;m surrounded by anti-Catholicism and that abbreviation has never been used in an insulting way, and it&#039;s never been used as anything other than shorthand here at IM.

Where&#039;s the insult? I call my own denomination the SBC all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>>To me personally any time a person refers to any Catholic in this board as an RC I find that insulting.</em></p>
<p>What&#8217;s insulting about an abbreviation? RC= Roman Catholic? I&#8217;m surrounded by anti-Catholicism and that abbreviation has never been used in an insulting way, and it&#8217;s never been used as anything other than shorthand here at IM.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the insult? I call my own denomination the SBC all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Giovanni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would tend to disagree with that comment, there is plenty of antagonism to go around. To me personaly any time a person refers to any Catholic in this board as an RC I find that insulting. Or when told the difference between Catholics and Christians(tm).

Reformed theology is challenging for people outside of it, I mean most Perbetyrians don&#039;t even teach the TULIP anymore. You are bound to run in to walls of ignorance. 

Me being guilty of that myself by Eric pointing out that Calvin him self did not come up with the TULIP but it was rather a condenced summary of his theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would tend to disagree with that comment, there is plenty of antagonism to go around. To me personaly any time a person refers to any Catholic in this board as an RC I find that insulting. Or when told the difference between Catholics and Christians(tm).</p>
<p>Reformed theology is challenging for people outside of it, I mean most Perbetyrians don&#8217;t even teach the TULIP anymore. You are bound to run in to walls of ignorance. </p>
<p>Me being guilty of that myself by Eric pointing out that Calvin him self did not come up with the TULIP but it was rather a condenced summary of his theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

I agree with you about the &quot;ungraceful&quot; behavior of *some* Calvinists (I can&#039;t say for Lutherans; I&#039;ve haven&#039;t yet noticed that sort of behavior from them).  As others on here have noted, some contemporary Catholic apologists speak and act in the same &quot;ungraceful&quot; ways.  The difference, though, is that I can&#039;t imagine anyone here actually bashing *Catholicism itself* (not the behaviors of individual Catholics but the belief system itself) and being allowed to do it, as a few people on this thread (not Michael) have been allowed to do regarding Calvinism (otherwise known by some as TULIP).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I agree with you about the &#8220;ungraceful&#8221; behavior of *some* Calvinists (I can&#8217;t say for Lutherans; I&#8217;ve haven&#8217;t yet noticed that sort of behavior from them).  As others on here have noted, some contemporary Catholic apologists speak and act in the same &#8220;ungraceful&#8221; ways.  The difference, though, is that I can&#8217;t imagine anyone here actually bashing *Catholicism itself* (not the behaviors of individual Catholics but the belief system itself) and being allowed to do it, as a few people on this thread (not Michael) have been allowed to do regarding Calvinism (otherwise known by some as TULIP).</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rodgers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Rodgers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher,

Calvinism is not always bad.  Some Calvinists, however, wield their theology and the supposed proof texts like a cudgel to beat down anybody they perceive as &quot;the opposition.&quot;  Lutherans can be the same way, and they tick me off, too.  The only difference between the Calvinists I bash and the Lutherans I bash is that the world is used to ignoring the Lutherans because we don&#039;t say much to anybody outside of the in-house crowd.

What I&#039;ve noticed lately, though, is that pastors are avoiding their responsibility to shepherd their flock by hiding behind their theology of the ministry.  And I really don&#039;t like that.

Pax Christi, y&#039;all!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher,</p>
<p>Calvinism is not always bad.  Some Calvinists, however, wield their theology and the supposed proof texts like a cudgel to beat down anybody they perceive as &#8220;the opposition.&#8221;  Lutherans can be the same way, and they tick me off, too.  The only difference between the Calvinists I bash and the Lutherans I bash is that the world is used to ignoring the Lutherans because we don&#8217;t say much to anybody outside of the in-house crowd.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve noticed lately, though, is that pastors are avoiding their responsibility to shepherd their flock by hiding behind their theology of the ministry.  And I really don&#8217;t like that.</p>
<p>Pax Christi, y&#8217;all!!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I should correct my earlier observation-- there aren&#039;t *a lot* of Calvinism-bashers here... except &quot;Stan in San Diego&quot; and few other people who are perhaps not bashing, but definitely making comments that might not be tolerated here in regard to other Bible-based beliefs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I should correct my earlier observation&#8211; there aren&#8217;t *a lot* of Calvinism-bashers here&#8230; except &#8220;Stan in San Diego&#8221; and few other people who are perhaps not bashing, but definitely making comments that might not be tolerated here in regard to other Bible-based beliefs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... well, I *thought* that Justin&#039;s blog was on the blogroll here! :-)  I just tried again to post the link, and my post wasn&#039;t recognized... I guess people aren&#039;t allowed to post links here?  Anyway, the blog and excerpt are easy to find-- just do a search for &quot;Between Two Worlds&quot; + &quot;The Answer to Practical Problems Must Involve Robust Doctrine.&quot;  Again, it&#039;s worth it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; well, I *thought* that Justin&#8217;s blog was on the blogroll here! <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I just tried again to post the link, and my post wasn&#8217;t recognized&#8230; I guess people aren&#8217;t allowed to post links here?  Anyway, the blog and excerpt are easy to find&#8211; just do a search for &#8220;Between Two Worlds&#8221; + &#8220;The Answer to Practical Problems Must Involve Robust Doctrine.&#8221;  Again, it&#8217;s worth it!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, there seem to be a lot of Calvinism-bashers here... and yes, I know that some Calvinists, especially on the internet, conduct themselves with a pronounced lack of grace and humility (how sadly ironic is that?).  The behavior of certain people doesn&#039;t justify bashing the belief though.  Actually, I prefer not to even use the word, because it gives people the impression that I follow a sinful man, rather than the living God, as revealed in His word.  

Anyway, to paraphrase Alistair Begg, Biblical learning is for *living.*  The point of theology is to know God and His attributes and ways more deeply (in the context of a real, vital relationship with Him), *so as to* apply that knowledge to one&#039;s actual words, thoughts, and deeds.  If studying theology doesn&#039;t make a Christian a more humble, loving person, both in relation to God and to other people, then it has been misused and/or misunderstood.  Theology, ultimately, is for actual practical application in one&#039;s living.  Otherwise, it can be positively dangerous to one&#039;s spiritual health and life, both temporally and eternally.   

Justin Taylor recently posted an incredible passage from a book about the point of theology being practical application.  I tried to post the link here yesterday, but it seemed to be too long, and the post didn&#039;t even make it through apparently.  If you want to read it, go to Justin&#039;s blog (&quot;Between Two Worlds,&quot; found on Michael&#039;s blogroll), and do a search for &quot;The Answer to Practical Problems Must Involve Robust Doctrine.&quot;  Believe me, it&#039;s worth the time to read this outstanding (and for some &quot;theology-heads,&quot; maybe life-changing!) passage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, there seem to be a lot of Calvinism-bashers here&#8230; and yes, I know that some Calvinists, especially on the internet, conduct themselves with a pronounced lack of grace and humility (how sadly ironic is that?).  The behavior of certain people doesn&#8217;t justify bashing the belief though.  Actually, I prefer not to even use the word, because it gives people the impression that I follow a sinful man, rather than the living God, as revealed in His word.  </p>
<p>Anyway, to paraphrase Alistair Begg, Biblical learning is for *living.*  The point of theology is to know God and His attributes and ways more deeply (in the context of a real, vital relationship with Him), *so as to* apply that knowledge to one&#8217;s actual words, thoughts, and deeds.  If studying theology doesn&#8217;t make a Christian a more humble, loving person, both in relation to God and to other people, then it has been misused and/or misunderstood.  Theology, ultimately, is for actual practical application in one&#8217;s living.  Otherwise, it can be positively dangerous to one&#8217;s spiritual health and life, both temporally and eternally.   </p>
<p>Justin Taylor recently posted an incredible passage from a book about the point of theology being practical application.  I tried to post the link here yesterday, but it seemed to be too long, and the post didn&#8217;t even make it through apparently.  If you want to read it, go to Justin&#8217;s blog (&#8221;Between Two Worlds,&#8221; found on Michael&#8217;s blogroll), and do a search for &#8220;The Answer to Practical Problems Must Involve Robust Doctrine.&#8221;  Believe me, it&#8217;s worth the time to read this outstanding (and for some &#8220;theology-heads,&#8221; maybe life-changing!) passage.</p>
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