Comments on: I’m Not Afraid of Atheists (or Their Movie)

By: chris

chris — Sat, 23 May 2009 02:39:15 +0000

Why is it that you must complain about a movie that inferences atheism, while movies like Narnia and The Passion of the Christ can be released without any atheist uproar at all. Its called the cinemas, its fiction and people should see this movie and decide that if they want to believe in god they can, but if they don’t they don’t have to. Its freedom of choice and what you call propaganda, I call an enjoyable film that happens to incorporate religious ideas I believe. I’m sure its the same vice versa, but I don’t complain, because I’m used to people hating me and my religion with no reason. You might not be afraid of me and my ideas, but I’m scared to death of your ideas, because when you believe that your ideas are superior to another religion, your no different than a Nazi, and I don’t want Nazi’s running my country.

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By: jessi

jessi — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:37:14 +0000

i would have to say as a theology student and artist that in spite of pullman’s personal views on religion i have found his books actually some of the most beautiful and engaging stories that deal with theological subjects. in fact i found in his books a beauty that is not present in the “children’s books” by people like lewis that are held up by many as “christian” books…his dark materials deals with the greyness of faith and life in such a challenging way.

also as a christian, i have to wonder and ask those who feel like faith can be threatened or destroyed by one book or story if they themselves have a very narrow view of God and are actually living out of a functional atheism (he belief that ultimate responsibility for everything rests with us. This is the unconscious, unexamined conviction that if anything decent is going to happen here, we are the ones who must make it happen – a conviction held even by people who talk a good game about God.~ definition borrowed from parker palmer)

it seems to me as a theologian and believer that the God i have encountered in scripture and life is one who acts in unexpected ways and at times through people who we can’t believe God would choose to work through.

and to the claim that pullman’s work is satanic i personally would be very cautious to make such a statement especially if you haven’t read the stories.

By: Ken McCormick

Ken McCormick — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:11:41 +0000

It’s amazing to me that so many people discuss Pullman’s trilogy with reference to atheism. The books are far too spiritual to be regarded as simple atheism. They are concerned, for instance, with the nature of sin. What is sin in an atheistic universe?

Pullman may say he’s a atheist, but whatever his beliefs, you have to look at what he wrote to evaluate its meaning, not at what he says about it.

Pullman has created an anti-Narnia. In the same way that the Narnia books are constructed around a Christian world-view, Pullman’s anti-Narnia trilogy is constructed quite deliberately around a Satanist world-view.

An argument for this is presented at http://geocities.com/goldencompasssatanism

By: Michael Spencer

Michael Spencer — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:29:47 +0000

Nicolas: Listen carefully to this distinction please.

Anyone and everyone can be kind.

Atheists have no explanation for why it is better to do X than to do Y. I didn’t say they weren’t kind. I said they had no basis to say universal absolutes like “to be kind is to be human.”

Christians and other theists have a basis on which to make the statement.

I am NOT NOT NOT saying Christians are kind, or kinder, etc. Often they are not. Be we believe all humans are made in God’s image, and that is a basis for the concept of kindness.

Atheism has to borrow the concept for it to have any meaning.

By: Nicolas

Nicolas — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:18:00 +0000

I am offended because of false accusations and generalizations. Are you claiming that people were not kind until Christianity came around? the romans the Greeks the Egyptians the Babylonians the Inca’s? none of these people felt love for their fellow man? How can you take something like being kind and try and turn it into something only religious people have the capability of doing? to me it sounds like you are claiming to be the only people capable of true kindness? which leads me back to my original point of closed-mindedness.

By: Michael Spencer

Michael Spencer — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:58:52 +0000

>But how dare you accuse atheists of having no reason to speak of what is moral. It is human to be kind, not a fear of god. if god did exist and i knew i was going to hell for not believing in him, i would still be good and kind in this life.

No one is saying all atheists hate God. Phillip Pullman is hostile to Christianity and CS Lewis. Many Atheists are hostile to religion in general and Christianity in particular.

“How dare you…”?

Well….saying it is “human to be kind” is a religious statement and a universal moral statement. I’m really glad you believe it, but as an atheist you have no way to say it is a universal or to imply that anyone else should believe it. It can’t be scientifically verified. (In fact, I think it’s more scientifically verifiable that humans are cruel and violent.) You are making a religious and universal statement with no basis except that it appeals to you. I’m glad, and I would welcome you as my neighbor and my kid’s teacher, etc. But you as far as atheism is concerned, you are standing on thin air with that moral absolute of yours. Atheism has no moral absolutes and can’t even defend why you were offended in the first place.

By: Nicolas

Nicolas — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:24:06 +0000

Hi i spent a while reading all these posts and now i cant even remember how i got onto this site.
I would just like to say some of the views on atheists on this site are very closed minded.I am an atheist, i respect religion and its teachings, not just Christianity, but all religions and i accept them all for their positive teachings and their flaws as well. I DO NOT hate god- or the ideal of god because apparently i cant not hate something that i do not believe in- that one took several readings.
But how dare you accuse atheists of having no reason to speak of what is moral. It is human to be kind, not a fear of god. if god did exist and i knew i was going to hell for not believing in him, i would still be good and kind in this life.
And yes atheists have been around for a long time, before Christianity, and most probably after it, but we are not out to sully gods name, we just want to live by our own beliefs- yes it is a belief that there is no god. If you have the rite to preach one belief then so does everyone else- no one is a higher judge than another. ‘all equal in the eyes of our lord’ something along those lines.
Finally the book. this was one of the first books that sparked my interest in reading, so much in fact that i read it again and again on numerous occasions. It also inspired me to read volumes of other books, which in turn lead me to doing my English literature degree at university. all-in-all a very positive effect on myself.
thank you for your time if you read this post.