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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Children and Youth religious vs non-religious instruction. &#171; Wbmoore&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/ignatius/comment-page-2#comment-497191</link>
		<dc:creator>Children and Youth religious vs non-religious instruction. &#171; Wbmoore&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Children and Youth religious vs non-religious&#160;instruction.  Posted on March 17, 2009 by wbmoore   Polycarp posted an entry showing a satire of a youth minister, and mentioned a 10 minute version of it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Children and Youth religious vs non-religious&nbsp;instruction.  Posted on March 17, 2009 by wbmoore   Polycarp posted an entry showing a satire of a youth minister, and mentioned a 10 minute version of it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/ignatius/comment-page-2#comment-486055</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. She would probably never get shows like the office. The irony is that she made the same point that the video meant to make. :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. She would probably never get shows like the office. The irony is that she made the same point that the video meant to make. :p</p>
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		<title>By: Lurch Kimded</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/ignatius/comment-page-2#comment-486030</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurch Kimded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, that is fantastic... who says americans dont get irony and sarcasm :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, that is fantastic&#8230; who says americans dont get irony and sarcasm <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca: It&#039;s a skit. Not real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca: It&#8217;s a skit. Not real.</p>
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		<title>By: frank carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/ignatius/comment-page-2#comment-486021</link>
		<dc:creator>frank carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are in an age when there have to be womens bibles mens bibles etc etc. The word is becoming less and less enough. The hearing of the word and the working of the Holy Spirit is ALL one needs...and another thing...I certainly hope that nobody thinks Bono or his band U2 are made ... Read Moreof believers. Look at Christ when you look at a teacher. You can not tell me that this mirrors how Christ, the Almighty savior of men, would teach. Anyone who does should look again.
And another thing...the argument that Kids are different now so you have to teach them different is not correct. Who is your God that his Word, his saving word is not enough. Those who are elect before the foundation of the world to come to christ dont need fancy ways to HELP God! Who do we think we are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are in an age when there have to be womens bibles mens bibles etc etc. The word is becoming less and less enough. The hearing of the word and the working of the Holy Spirit is ALL one needs&#8230;and another thing&#8230;I certainly hope that nobody thinks Bono or his band U2 are made &#8230; Read Moreof believers. Look at Christ when you look at a teacher. You can not tell me that this mirrors how Christ, the Almighty savior of men, would teach. Anyone who does should look again.<br />
And another thing&#8230;the argument that Kids are different now so you have to teach them different is not correct. Who is your God that his Word, his saving word is not enough. Those who are elect before the foundation of the world to come to christ dont need fancy ways to HELP God! Who do we think we are?</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah Stak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekah Stak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Ignatious a celebrity --why is being famous a credential???? What does it take to be a great youth pastor? His answer &quot;x-box, games, and a moderately priced haircut&quot; Is he serious???? And then he says &quot;ministry is based on some verse in the Bible&quot; -and what would that verse be??? Can you reference it, quite it??? Or are you too busy ... Read Moregetting your hair flocked?? He does &quot;prayer-lattes&quot;??? What about getting in the WORD OF GOD and actually reading/studying it!!!! And he watches Chronicles of Narnia films to prepare? Is he hiding the fact that he cannot read anything beyond a first grade level? He has obvious disprespect for the prayer the youth group is playing? The man is a power fame hungry WHORE. He exemplifies the goat among the sheep, I am so angry my hands are shaking as I am typing this. How DARE he presume to be a youth pastor because he can say a few fancy words. The reason he did not use the BIBLE -the INERRANT WORD OF GOD when he &quot;teaches&quot; is because he would be exposed as a fraud. How ABSOLUTELY TRAGIC that professing Christians cannot see through his SHAM!!! Thank goodness that man kicked him out, but why is he &quot;famous&quot; and people were excited about him in the first place???? I agree with you Sandra -he never should have been invited in the first place!
This is pathetic and what is sad is there is &quot;teaching&quot; no, wait theatrics like this and children being raised by so-called churches and not by parents and then parents wondering what went wrong? There is sooo much more to be said, but I hope that God will rain judgement on frauds like this and pray for true revival across the land!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Ignatious a celebrity &#8211;why is being famous a credential???? What does it take to be a great youth pastor? His answer &#8220;x-box, games, and a moderately priced haircut&#8221; Is he serious???? And then he says &#8220;ministry is based on some verse in the Bible&#8221; -and what would that verse be??? Can you reference it, quite it??? Or are you too busy &#8230; Read Moregetting your hair flocked?? He does &#8220;prayer-lattes&#8221;??? What about getting in the WORD OF GOD and actually reading/studying it!!!! And he watches Chronicles of Narnia films to prepare? Is he hiding the fact that he cannot read anything beyond a first grade level? He has obvious disprespect for the prayer the youth group is playing? The man is a power fame hungry WHORE. He exemplifies the goat among the sheep, I am so angry my hands are shaking as I am typing this. How DARE he presume to be a youth pastor because he can say a few fancy words. The reason he did not use the BIBLE -the INERRANT WORD OF GOD when he &#8220;teaches&#8221; is because he would be exposed as a fraud. How ABSOLUTELY TRAGIC that professing Christians cannot see through his SHAM!!! Thank goodness that man kicked him out, but why is he &#8220;famous&#8221; and people were excited about him in the first place???? I agree with you Sandra -he never should have been invited in the first place!<br />
This is pathetic and what is sad is there is &#8220;teaching&#8221; no, wait theatrics like this and children being raised by so-called churches and not by parents and then parents wondering what went wrong? There is sooo much more to be said, but I hope that God will rain judgement on frauds like this and pray for true revival across the land!</p>
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		<title>By: Sallie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sallie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow... That was... wow.  
I&#039;ve told my kids (teenagers now) what my youth group was like, but this came eerily close to what I experienced in youth group and youth conventions.  
  I am very thankful that we have moved past the permed mullet look for youth pastors.. even if it meant a move to the over product straightened highlight look.  LOL

 BTW did anyone catch the word LAME when Ignatius stood in front of the &quot;F&quot; of flame??  I died laughing at that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230; That was&#8230; wow.<br />
I&#8217;ve told my kids (teenagers now) what my youth group was like, but this came eerily close to what I experienced in youth group and youth conventions.<br />
  I am very thankful that we have moved past the permed mullet look for youth pastors.. even if it meant a move to the over product straightened highlight look.  LOL</p>
<p> BTW did anyone catch the word LAME when Ignatius stood in front of the &#8220;F&#8221; of flame??  I died laughing at that!</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT...

I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ll ever see this response to your comment, but I hope you will.

This video was not made to celebrate the &quot;Ignatiuses&quot; of the world.  Quite the contrary!  I, too, feel the high calling placed upon our lives as bearers of God&#039;s Word.  And I am similarly appalled at the number of manipulative, self-glorifying charlatans out there.  Worst of all, because of my sinful nature, I feel keenly those same desires of self-glorification in myself.

I am so grateful that we serve a God who is greater than our sin.  This video was made as a satire of those who would use their position for self-glorification, and as a light-hearted cautionary tale for all of us.  I&#039;m sorry if that message didn&#039;t come through clearly.  I hope that all of us who are in ministry are constantly checking our motives...and checking our egos at the door.  

Travis Hawkins
writer/director, &quot;Ignatius&quot;

PS: Props to the Internet Monk for posting the video, and apologies to Ignatius of Loyola, on which our character was in no way based.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ll ever see this response to your comment, but I hope you will.</p>
<p>This video was not made to celebrate the &#8220;Ignatiuses&#8221; of the world.  Quite the contrary!  I, too, feel the high calling placed upon our lives as bearers of God&#8217;s Word.  And I am similarly appalled at the number of manipulative, self-glorifying charlatans out there.  Worst of all, because of my sinful nature, I feel keenly those same desires of self-glorification in myself.</p>
<p>I am so grateful that we serve a God who is greater than our sin.  This video was made as a satire of those who would use their position for self-glorification, and as a light-hearted cautionary tale for all of us.  I&#8217;m sorry if that message didn&#8217;t come through clearly.  I hope that all of us who are in ministry are constantly checking our motives&#8230;and checking our egos at the door.  </p>
<p>Travis Hawkins<br />
writer/director, &#8220;Ignatius&#8221;</p>
<p>PS: Props to the Internet Monk for posting the video, and apologies to Ignatius of Loyola, on which our character was in no way based.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/ignatius/comment-page-2#comment-399982</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read several of the articles on this web site, but I did not feel motivated enough to respond.

This makes my blood boil. Maybe I misunderstood the point that the video is trying to make, but having been raised in a conservative church environment by conservative parents who have been involved in the ministry for many years, I am very sensitive to anything that would be a reproach to my God.

I have seen more hyped worship and insulting excuses for reaching young people that this type of thing would not surprise me. 

All I can say that this is revolting, and beyond that I am stuttering myself into mental speechlessness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read several of the articles on this web site, but I did not feel motivated enough to respond.</p>
<p>This makes my blood boil. Maybe I misunderstood the point that the video is trying to make, but having been raised in a conservative church environment by conservative parents who have been involved in the ministry for many years, I am very sensitive to anything that would be a reproach to my God.</p>
<p>I have seen more hyped worship and insulting excuses for reaching young people that this type of thing would not surprise me. </p>
<p>All I can say that this is revolting, and beyond that I am stuttering myself into mental speechlessness.</p>
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		<title>By: steven martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s feed all christians to lions-let&#039;s make christianity a crime worldwide.

these scoundrels are monkey butts along with muslims and every other religion.

USA will lead the way in demolishing the jesus freeks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s feed all christians to lions-let&#8217;s make christianity a crime worldwide.</p>
<p>these scoundrels are monkey butts along with muslims and every other religion.</p>
<p>USA will lead the way in demolishing the jesus freeks</p>
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