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	<title>Comments on: I Can&#8217;t Say What I Want to Say About the 40/40 Prayer Emphasis&#8230;.but You Can</title>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clay of CO &gt;&gt; &quot;...its more about church changing lives to make it better for culture

AMEN...enjoyed your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clay of CO &gt;&gt; &#8220;&#8230;its more about church changing lives to make it better for culture</p>
<p>AMEN&#8230;enjoyed your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay of CO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay of CO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feels like the eighties all over again--good Christians misusing good Scripture with good intentions for the &quot;good of the country.&quot; But it&#039;s bad for the gospel, bad for the church, and bad for the kingdom of God. Can&#039;t add a lot more, but a few thoughts:

1. There is no NT doctrine of &quot;revival.&quot; It is a word the church made up to describe a movement of the Holy Spirit, but it has morphed into something that some misguided parts of the church believe they can create, expand, manipulate, and manage. It lays the burden of guilt on the body for not praying hard enough, or not having enough faith. It feels to me a lot like prosperity gospel and Joel Osteen wrapped in the US flag. That kind of &quot;Revivalism&quot; is not a good thing in my view.

2. Even if there was such a doctrine as &quot;revival,&quot; shouldn&#039;t the focus be on the Gospel? There is very little Gospel message that I can see in this 40/40 document. It&#039;s more about church changing culture to make it better for Christians, not about church changing lives to make it better for culture. Can we go back to the church renewal movement?

3. I lose all respect for any educated Christian who applies 2 Chronicles 7:13-14 as some kind of divine promise for America. It&#039;s misusing Scripture to promote a denominational program. It makes me angry, but I suppose they would just say I&#039;m in need of their revival. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feels like the eighties all over again&#8211;good Christians misusing good Scripture with good intentions for the &#8220;good of the country.&#8221; But it&#8217;s bad for the gospel, bad for the church, and bad for the kingdom of God. Can&#8217;t add a lot more, but a few thoughts:</p>
<p>1. There is no NT doctrine of &#8220;revival.&#8221; It is a word the church made up to describe a movement of the Holy Spirit, but it has morphed into something that some misguided parts of the church believe they can create, expand, manipulate, and manage. It lays the burden of guilt on the body for not praying hard enough, or not having enough faith. It feels to me a lot like prosperity gospel and Joel Osteen wrapped in the US flag. That kind of &#8220;Revivalism&#8221; is not a good thing in my view.</p>
<p>2. Even if there was such a doctrine as &#8220;revival,&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t the focus be on the Gospel? There is very little Gospel message that I can see in this 40/40 document. It&#8217;s more about church changing culture to make it better for Christians, not about church changing lives to make it better for culture. Can we go back to the church renewal movement?</p>
<p>3. I lose all respect for any educated Christian who applies <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=2+Chronicles+7%3A13-14" class="bibleref" title="ESV 2Chronicles 7:13-14">2 Chronicles 7:13-14</a> as some kind of divine promise for America. It&#8217;s misusing Scripture to promote a denominational program. It makes me angry, but I suppose they would just say I&#8217;m in need of their revival. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I like the final three hour countdown. It’s D-Day! (or E-Day).
The Apocalyptic tone is amazing.&lt;/i&gt; -- Scott

Don&#039;t you know We Are Living In The End Times (TM)?

(Though that DOES beg the question:  If Christ Is Coming to beam us up tomorrow (at the latest) and It&#039;s All Gonna Burn, why bother to take over the country and Turn It Into A Christian Nation (TM)?  I know Rayford LaHaye Steele does that when he&#039;s handed the New Heavens and New Earth at the end of &lt;i&gt;Left Behind: Volume 12&lt;/i&gt;, but do we have to do the same as LaHaye&#039;s author self-insert?)

&lt;i&gt;I’m not nearly goofy enough to think that Republicans walk on water or that everyone of them is Godly.&lt;/i&gt; -- Joe Blackmon

No, The Obama&#039;s the One Who Walks on Water.  (Have you ever HEARD Obama Fanboys? After Dubya&#039;s been cast as The Antichrist for the past seven years of Great Tribulation, now Obama&#039;s cast as The Coming Christ to Save Us All.  It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Left Behind&lt;/i&gt; for Brights (TM).)

&lt;i&gt;However, how any Christian can vote for a candidate that is pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage is beyond me.&lt;/i&gt; -- Joe Blackmon

IMonk, was it you or some other blogger that claimed the Gospel being preached from today&#039;s pulpits has been reduced to nothing more than &quot;We Denounce Abortion, Homosexuality, and Evolution&quot;?  How did those become the Words of Eternal Life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I like the final three hour countdown. It’s D-Day! (or E-Day).<br />
The Apocalyptic tone is amazing.</i> &#8212; Scott</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you know We Are Living In The End Times (TM)?</p>
<p>(Though that DOES beg the question:  If Christ Is Coming to beam us up tomorrow (at the latest) and It&#8217;s All Gonna Burn, why bother to take over the country and Turn It Into A Christian Nation (TM)?  I know Rayford LaHaye Steele does that when he&#8217;s handed the New Heavens and New Earth at the end of <i>Left Behind: Volume 12</i>, but do we have to do the same as LaHaye&#8217;s author self-insert?)</p>
<p><i>I’m not nearly goofy enough to think that Republicans walk on water or that everyone of them is Godly.</i> &#8212; Joe Blackmon</p>
<p>No, The Obama&#8217;s the One Who Walks on Water.  (Have you ever HEARD Obama Fanboys? After Dubya&#8217;s been cast as The Antichrist for the past seven years of Great Tribulation, now Obama&#8217;s cast as The Coming Christ to Save Us All.  It&#8217;s <i>Left Behind</i> for Brights (TM).)</p>
<p><i>However, how any Christian can vote for a candidate that is pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage is beyond me.</i> &#8212; Joe Blackmon</p>
<p>IMonk, was it you or some other blogger that claimed the Gospel being preached from today&#8217;s pulpits has been reduced to nothing more than &#8220;We Denounce Abortion, Homosexuality, and Evolution&#8221;?  How did those become the Words of Eternal Life?</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imonk: You are right. Found you about a week ago. Good blog. Thanks for your gracious response.

peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imonk: You are right. Found you about a week ago. Good blog. Thanks for your gracious response.</p>
<p>peace</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn:

I&#039;m guessing that you might be new to the internet and to commenting at blogs.

There&#039;s no reason to withdraw from commenting, I assure you.

I actively moderate my comments and no one should take my moderation as a personal request to do anything unless I personally request them to do it. 

Long comments are rarely read. Many people who write long comments would have a better audience to start a blog and link to it from comments. I&#039;ve been blogging for almost a decade and this is good advice.

Your opinions and comments are welcome here.

peace

MS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that you might be new to the internet and to commenting at blogs.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no reason to withdraw from commenting, I assure you.</p>
<p>I actively moderate my comments and no one should take my moderation as a personal request to do anything unless I personally request them to do it. </p>
<p>Long comments are rarely read. Many people who write long comments would have a better audience to start a blog and link to it from comments. I&#8217;ve been blogging for almost a decade and this is good advice.</p>
<p>Your opinions and comments are welcome here.</p>
<p>peace</p>
<p>MS</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imonk,

Sorry!  I made a mistake.  Opinions are a dime a dozen and everbody has one. One seldom is able to change the mind of another under any circumstance...no matter how well intended.  You won&#039;t hear from me again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imonk,</p>
<p>Sorry!  I made a mistake.  Opinions are a dime a dozen and everbody has one. One seldom is able to change the mind of another under any circumstance&#8230;no matter how well intended.  You won&#8217;t hear from me again.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. Everyone has made their point in this last exchange. End of that conversation. Take it to email if you want to continue it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Everyone has made their point in this last exchange. End of that conversation. Take it to email if you want to continue it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Blackmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Blackmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn,
&quot;Meanwhile, these unborn angels just go back to the heart of their God. And that is a good thing!&quot;

Oh, so it&#039;s ok to vote for baby murderers.  That makes it all beter. Thanks.

&quot;But I don’t believe when God looks down….that He sees homosexuality any more “fleshly” than obesity, alcohol, drugs, gambling, or any other addiction which makes a person subservient to its practice.&quot;

Wow, that&#039;s an amazing analysis.  I guess that&#039;s why obesity, alcohol, blah, blah, blah, were punishible by death in the Old Testament.  I mean, if one crime gets you a slap on the wrist and the other one is &quot;Off with your head&quot; they&#039;re both just as bad in God&#039;s eyes.  I get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn,<br />
&#8220;Meanwhile, these unborn angels just go back to the heart of their God. And that is a good thing!&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, so it&#8217;s ok to vote for baby murderers.  That makes it all beter. Thanks.</p>
<p>&#8220;But I don’t believe when God looks down….that He sees homosexuality any more “fleshly” than obesity, alcohol, drugs, gambling, or any other addiction which makes a person subservient to its practice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, that&#8217;s an amazing analysis.  I guess that&#8217;s why obesity, alcohol, blah, blah, blah, were punishible by death in the Old Testament.  I mean, if one crime gets you a slap on the wrist and the other one is &#8220;Off with your head&#8221; they&#8217;re both just as bad in God&#8217;s eyes.  I get it.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commenters: If you are going to write blog post length comments, then perhaps you should consider starting a blog and linking to those posts? Just an idea.

Check out www.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commenters: If you are going to write blog post length comments, then perhaps you should consider starting a blog and linking to those posts? Just an idea.</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://www.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Brague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Brague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Brunson (25 Sep @ 9:17 p.m. and Kent Sanders (26 Sep @ 6:09 p.m.):

I would not presume to answer for Michael, but isn&#039;t it pretty obvious?  He would like to keep his job.

Or, as he quoted former President George Herbert Walker Bush (Old 41), &quot;Wouldn&#039;t be prudent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Brunson (25 Sep @ 9:17 p.m. and Kent Sanders (26 Sep @ 6:09 p.m.):</p>
<p>I would not presume to answer for Michael, but isn&#8217;t it pretty obvious?  He would like to keep his job.</p>
<p>Or, as he quoted former President George Herbert Walker Bush (Old 41), &#8220;Wouldn&#8217;t be prudent.&#8221;</p>
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