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	<title>Comments on: How To Lose A Young Mind #1 (with a few thoughts on Dawkins)</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/how-to-lose-a-young-mind-1-with-a-few-thoughts-on-dawkins/comment-page-1#comment-518025</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world&#039;s leading scholars of Hebrew language (who are not Christian or Jewish by the way) clearly say that there is no ambiguity in Genesis: that the writer clearly means 6 physical 24-hour days.  They all agree that there is no other valid interpretation of the words used.

In a Christian sense, it can&#039;t be thousands/billions of years either.  Death came into the world as a result of Adam &amp; Eve&#039;s sin.  If creation took billions of years (or even thousands) how/why did all those animals die before humans entered the scene.  And if death already existed, then Adam &amp; Eve&#039;s sin did not bring it into the world, so Jesus is not required to take that punishment for our sins later on.  Therefore, a longer creation period actually removes any value from the rest of the Bible. Simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world&#8217;s leading scholars of Hebrew language (who are not Christian or Jewish by the way) clearly say that there is no ambiguity in Genesis: that the writer clearly means 6 physical 24-hour days.  They all agree that there is no other valid interpretation of the words used.</p>
<p>In a Christian sense, it can&#8217;t be thousands/billions of years either.  Death came into the world as a result of Adam &amp; Eve&#8217;s sin.  If creation took billions of years (or even thousands) how/why did all those animals die before humans entered the scene.  And if death already existed, then Adam &amp; Eve&#8217;s sin did not bring it into the world, so Jesus is not required to take that punishment for our sins later on.  Therefore, a longer creation period actually removes any value from the rest of the Bible. Simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it IS an essential element of the faith.  If death existed before Adam &amp; Eve (fossils and billions of years etc), then Adam &amp; Eve did not bring death into the world as a punishment for sin.  Therefore Jesus is not required to take away that death for sin. Therefore the entire Bible is useless.
Food for thought</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it IS an essential element of the faith.  If death existed before Adam &amp; Eve (fossils and billions of years etc), then Adam &amp; Eve did not bring death into the world as a punishment for sin.  Therefore Jesus is not required to take away that death for sin. Therefore the entire Bible is useless.<br />
Food for thought</p>
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		<title>By: tildeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tildeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Keen insight. Now submit your startling grade 7 revelation that overthrows 150 years of scientific review to a reputable journal of evolutionary science and revolutionize biology! You&#039;ll be a shoe-in for a Nobel. Well done, Galatian Man. Good catch. I wonder how that slipped by so many others?  

While you are waiting, you may want to glance at the work of Richard Lenski and his team over at Michigan State and come up with another plausible explanation that DOES include your (apparently) singular definition of science. Unless, of course, almost every biologist who grasps and works with evolutionary theory is also an idiot, in which case you need to step up and show what proper science looks like. In either case, I await your revelations with anticipatory awe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Keen insight. Now submit your startling grade 7 revelation that overthrows 150 years of scientific review to a reputable journal of evolutionary science and revolutionize biology! You&#8217;ll be a shoe-in for a Nobel. Well done, Galatian Man. Good catch. I wonder how that slipped by so many others?  </p>
<p>While you are waiting, you may want to glance at the work of Richard Lenski and his team over at Michigan State and come up with another plausible explanation that DOES include your (apparently) singular definition of science. Unless, of course, almost every biologist who grasps and works with evolutionary theory is also an idiot, in which case you need to step up and show what proper science looks like. In either case, I await your revelations with anticipatory awe.</p>
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		<title>By: GalatianMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>GalatianMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[MOD edit] without reading any other posts ( I read your article and immediately dropped to this comment), I totally disagree with you. I was raised in a non-religous home. Not necessarily athesitic, but non-religous. No discussions about God. We raced motorcycles, went swimming, drank beer. Basic Americana. But my parents did teach me to read. I mostly read Marvel comics, which as anyone knows is full of science. I also watched Star Trek and Doctor Who. I was inundated with evolutionary theory. Like many kids my age I loved dinosaurs. But when I was in 7th grade of public school I was taught the scientific method. Evolutionary theory does not follow the scientific method. I discarded it then and there. I did not become a Christian for 20 more years. But from age 13 on I knew that darwinism was bogus because I was taught real science, not a belief system about the past. [Mod edit]. Look at the science via the scientific method. Observable, empirical, and measurable evidence. Observation &amp; experimentation and testing. Darwinism has none of these. Which is why Dawkins and Gould disagreed on the mechanism of evolution. Gould could no longer agree on slight positive modification of mutations producing the Cambrian Explosion. Which is why Gould proposed his stupid idea of Punctuated Equilibrium (horrible monster theory of the 1920&#039;s). [Mod edit] Don&#039;t fall for the idiocy of darwinian evolutionary theory (as opposed to the good science of natural selection).
Mutations do happen, but they don&#039;t turn lizards into chickens or vice versa.

As far as Dawkins. He is an idiot. To say that lizards scales evolved into feathers is fantasy. For him to even teach that is so far out it is ridiculous. There isn&#039;t any evidence to support that. NONE. If he didn&#039;t have the credentials of teaching this nonsense for decades he would be laughed at as a moron. He also used the &quot;evolution of the Corvette&quot; as an example in his Blind Watchmaker book. Uhhh Corvettes have intelligent designers. Any average Christian could easily debate him. He likes to &quot;muddy the waters&quot; in his discussions. Change the subject when cornered for a single scrap of evidence to support his belief system. It is not even a theory because no science is involved. NONE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[MOD edit] without reading any other posts ( I read your article and immediately dropped to this comment), I totally disagree with you. I was raised in a non-religous home. Not necessarily athesitic, but non-religous. No discussions about God. We raced motorcycles, went swimming, drank beer. Basic Americana. But my parents did teach me to read. I mostly read Marvel comics, which as anyone knows is full of science. I also watched Star Trek and Doctor Who. I was inundated with evolutionary theory. Like many kids my age I loved dinosaurs. But when I was in 7th grade of public school I was taught the scientific method. Evolutionary theory does not follow the scientific method. I discarded it then and there. I did not become a Christian for 20 more years. But from age 13 on I knew that darwinism was bogus because I was taught real science, not a belief system about the past. [Mod edit]. Look at the science via the scientific method. Observable, empirical, and measurable evidence. Observation &amp; experimentation and testing. Darwinism has none of these. Which is why Dawkins and Gould disagreed on the mechanism of evolution. Gould could no longer agree on slight positive modification of mutations producing the Cambrian Explosion. Which is why Gould proposed his stupid idea of Punctuated Equilibrium (horrible monster theory of the 1920&#8242;s). [Mod edit] Don&#8217;t fall for the idiocy of darwinian evolutionary theory (as opposed to the good science of natural selection).<br />
Mutations do happen, but they don&#8217;t turn lizards into chickens or vice versa.</p>
<p>As far as Dawkins. He is an idiot. To say that lizards scales evolved into feathers is fantasy. For him to even teach that is so far out it is ridiculous. There isn&#8217;t any evidence to support that. NONE. If he didn&#8217;t have the credentials of teaching this nonsense for decades he would be laughed at as a moron. He also used the &#8220;evolution of the Corvette&#8221; as an example in his Blind Watchmaker book. Uhhh Corvettes have intelligent designers. Any average Christian could easily debate him. He likes to &#8220;muddy the waters&#8221; in his discussions. Change the subject when cornered for a single scrap of evidence to support his belief system. It is not even a theory because no science is involved. NONE.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...that mushrooms could not be intergalactic spaceships sent to spy on us....&lt;/i&gt;

Only if you&#039;re eating the right kinds of mushroom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;that mushrooms could not be intergalactic spaceships sent to spy on us&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>Only if you&#8217;re eating the right kinds of mushroom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tildeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tildeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the best defense of Dawkins&#039; criticism of creationism is evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the best defense of Dawkins&#8217; criticism of creationism is evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: tildeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tildeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What if, after a great deal of searching and trying out various viewpoints and philosophies, the source of supernatural origin is the only one youâ€™ve found that actually works in transforming your ethical and moral behavior for the better?&lt;/i&gt;

Go to town. But the source is you, along with the decisions and choices you make about how to behave. You can &lt;i&gt;attribute&lt;/i&gt; your decisions and choices any way you wish but that does not offer evidence for the literal existence of the attributed supernatural source. Back in the natural world, I can claim broccoli is the source of my morality and behave very morally. I doubt you would think my behaviour indicates that my belief in the primacy of this wise vegetable in directing my life caused my behaviour - moral or otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What if, after a great deal of searching and trying out various viewpoints and philosophies, the source of supernatural origin is the only one youâ€™ve found that actually works in transforming your ethical and moral behavior for the better?</i></p>
<p>Go to town. But the source is you, along with the decisions and choices you make about how to behave. You can <i>attribute</i> your decisions and choices any way you wish but that does not offer evidence for the literal existence of the attributed supernatural source. Back in the natural world, I can claim broccoli is the source of my morality and behave very morally. I doubt you would think my behaviour indicates that my belief in the primacy of this wise vegetable in directing my life caused my behaviour &#8211; moral or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: tildeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tildeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Believing that there is no God is certainly a screen of assumption and rules out truely honest inquiry.&lt;/i&gt;

Rubbish.

That&#039;s like saying believing (not as a starting position but because there isn&#039;t a shred of evidence to support the claim) that mushrooms could not be intergalactic spaceships sent to spy on us is equally a screen of assumption and rules out truly honest inquiry. Such a list of believing what ISN&#039;T, meaning that there&#039;s no good reason to believe that there IS, is endless. We don&#039;t believe in almost everything unless and until there is reason for doing so. But the problem here is determining whether or not there are &lt;i&gt;justifiable&lt;/i&gt; reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Believing that there is no God is certainly a screen of assumption and rules out truely honest inquiry.</i></p>
<p>Rubbish.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying believing (not as a starting position but because there isn&#8217;t a shred of evidence to support the claim) that mushrooms could not be intergalactic spaceships sent to spy on us is equally a screen of assumption and rules out truly honest inquiry. Such a list of believing what ISN&#8217;T, meaning that there&#8217;s no good reason to believe that there IS, is endless. We don&#8217;t believe in almost everything unless and until there is reason for doing so. But the problem here is determining whether or not there are <i>justifiable</i> reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: tildeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tildeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawkins is quite clear that he thinks evolution has led him to atheism. He also explains that what many scientists (like Coyne and E.O. Wilson) see as the problem in American education is between naturalism - represented by evolution in this case - and supernaturalism - represented by religious belief&#039;s creationism. He points out that the context in which he is quoted is in regards to Coyne&#039;s description of why defrocking NOMA is the real battle between naturalism and supernaturalism. Nowhere does he say (unless I&#039;ve missed it repeatedly) that most scientists do not believe evolution leads to atheism but rather that Dawkins&#039; issue - that there is no need for the God explanation; no reason to coddle those who would prefer there to be room for divine creationism for humans - regarding evolution is but one part of this larger battle. 

If one understands evolution to provide evidence that we come from ancestors not categorized as human, nor mammalian, nor even vertebrate, then one must discard any literal sense in special creation for humans by God. That hypothesis is not borne out by the evidence. There is simply no need for any &#039;divine intervention&#039; explanation for the creation of humanity, and in that sense Dawkins, who thinks this is a very important battle, explains why evolution has led him to atheism. He also allows other scientists to place God somewhere beyond in the ancestral chain leading back to bacteria b ut think that any reason to do so is misapplied awe of nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawkins is quite clear that he thinks evolution has led him to atheism. He also explains that what many scientists (like Coyne and E.O. Wilson) see as the problem in American education is between naturalism &#8211; represented by evolution in this case &#8211; and supernaturalism &#8211; represented by religious belief&#8217;s creationism. He points out that the context in which he is quoted is in regards to Coyne&#8217;s description of why defrocking NOMA is the real battle between naturalism and supernaturalism. Nowhere does he say (unless I&#8217;ve missed it repeatedly) that most scientists do not believe evolution leads to atheism but rather that Dawkins&#8217; issue &#8211; that there is no need for the God explanation; no reason to coddle those who would prefer there to be room for divine creationism for humans &#8211; regarding evolution is but one part of this larger battle. </p>
<p>If one understands evolution to provide evidence that we come from ancestors not categorized as human, nor mammalian, nor even vertebrate, then one must discard any literal sense in special creation for humans by God. That hypothesis is not borne out by the evidence. There is simply no need for any &#8216;divine intervention&#8217; explanation for the creation of humanity, and in that sense Dawkins, who thinks this is a very important battle, explains why evolution has led him to atheism. He also allows other scientists to place God somewhere beyond in the ancestral chain leading back to bacteria b ut think that any reason to do so is misapplied awe of nature.</p>
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		<title>By: The Monday Melange 10.19.09: Ozzy Osbourne, Ardi, Cow Tongue, and Cowbell &#171; Everyone&#8217;s Entitled to Joe&#8217;s Opinion</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Monday Melange 10.19.09: Ozzy Osbourne, Ardi, Cow Tongue, and Cowbell &#171; Everyone&#8217;s Entitled to Joe&#8217;s Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to science is doing very bad things for young people in evangelical Protestant-dom, here is a piece by Michael Spencer which says more or less the same thing.Â  The discussion centers around the discovery of &#8220;Ardi&#8221; a couple of weeks back, and a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to science is doing very bad things for young people in evangelical Protestant-dom, here is a piece by Michael Spencer which says more or less the same thing.Â  The discussion centers around the discovery of &#8220;Ardi&#8221; a couple of weeks back, and a [...]</p>
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