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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iMonk,

I just discovered this blog today, and have spent the last 4+ hours reading past posts.  I&#039;m a convert to the RCC from my Methodist upbringing, having been confirmed Catholic at Easter Vigil 2007.  At the time I was enrolled in a Methodist seminary in Kentucky, and my family (particularly my mother) took my decision rather hard.  

There emerged a gulf between my mother and I that had never existed before - namely the sad fact that she could not receive communion at my church, and I could not receive at hers.  I was saddened by this, she was offended.  It seemed to her that I was rejecting my upbringing and, worse, my family&#039;s Christianity.  This of course is not true.  However, repair needed to be made in our relationship.  I decided to leave the seminary in Kentucky and move to Florida in order to live near my family, that my life might serve as a witness.  My goal was not to convert my family - rather, it was to show them that they need not fear.  Their son still loved them.  I was not rejecting them.

I spent a year in Florida, growing in my faith while simultaneously trying to bridge the (real or imagined) divides in my family.  With God&#039;s help, I saw improvement.

My story relates to yours very little, if at all.  In the end, I just want to thank you for this post, as it communicates in a much more beautiful way than I can hope to achieve the mixture of pain and joy that is the inevitable fruit of this type of experience.

Thank you, and God bless.

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iMonk,</p>
<p>I just discovered this blog today, and have spent the last 4+ hours reading past posts.  I&#8217;m a convert to the RCC from my Methodist upbringing, having been confirmed Catholic at Easter Vigil 2007.  At the time I was enrolled in a Methodist seminary in Kentucky, and my family (particularly my mother) took my decision rather hard.  </p>
<p>There emerged a gulf between my mother and I that had never existed before &#8211; namely the sad fact that she could not receive communion at my church, and I could not receive at hers.  I was saddened by this, she was offended.  It seemed to her that I was rejecting my upbringing and, worse, my family&#8217;s Christianity.  This of course is not true.  However, repair needed to be made in our relationship.  I decided to leave the seminary in Kentucky and move to Florida in order to live near my family, that my life might serve as a witness.  My goal was not to convert my family &#8211; rather, it was to show them that they need not fear.  Their son still loved them.  I was not rejecting them.</p>
<p>I spent a year in Florida, growing in my faith while simultaneously trying to bridge the (real or imagined) divides in my family.  With God&#8217;s help, I saw improvement.</p>
<p>My story relates to yours very little, if at all.  In the end, I just want to thank you for this post, as it communicates in a much more beautiful way than I can hope to achieve the mixture of pain and joy that is the inevitable fruit of this type of experience.</p>
<p>Thank you, and God bless.</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrissl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a convert to Catholicism myself (long story) by way of many interesting byways. My best friends are evangelicals and Quakers ;) who both (I think) have more in common doctrinally with Catholics than they may realize. (Church structure and governance are another story entirely....) And I too was very well educated growing up Protestant, having always been interested in religion and church history, so I did sit through a lot of reeeeallllyyy boring stuff in RCIA. I brought my knitting to class. ;)

I am not an uncritical Catholic (I&#039;m incapable of being an uncritical *anything*) and I have been particularly sad to see how poorly educated the majority of Catholics are about even their own faith. Religious education, especially before Vatican II, focused so completely on specifically Catholic things (the rosary, angels, saints, sacraments etc.) that the core teachings of Jesus came in a very poor second in the curriculum. And many of those who taught were themselves very poorly educated, perpetuating a lot of bad theology and bad practice. 

The education of teachers has changed, but not necessarily improved, and the Catholic retreat industry seems now to have discovered and subscribed to the Tacky Theme Generating Service that I regret seeing in Protestant churches (recipe: take a dozen words like seeking, sharing, journey, spiritual, love, light, etc., shake them up in a paper bag, and draw out any two: presto! your theme!).

As I&#039;ve frequently said and will say many times more, one of the great strengths I see in my evangelical friends is that in their church *everyone* goes to Sunday School -- adults as well as children -- *every* Sunday. And they study Real Stuff: Jesus and the Biblical accounts. A few Catholics have discovered these riches, but pitifully few. Would that more would do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a convert to Catholicism myself (long story) by way of many interesting byways. My best friends are evangelicals and Quakers <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  who both (I think) have more in common doctrinally with Catholics than they may realize. (Church structure and governance are another story entirely&#8230;.) And I too was very well educated growing up Protestant, having always been interested in religion and church history, so I did sit through a lot of reeeeallllyyy boring stuff in RCIA. I brought my knitting to class. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am not an uncritical Catholic (I&#8217;m incapable of being an uncritical *anything*) and I have been particularly sad to see how poorly educated the majority of Catholics are about even their own faith. Religious education, especially before Vatican II, focused so completely on specifically Catholic things (the rosary, angels, saints, sacraments etc.) that the core teachings of Jesus came in a very poor second in the curriculum. And many of those who taught were themselves very poorly educated, perpetuating a lot of bad theology and bad practice. </p>
<p>The education of teachers has changed, but not necessarily improved, and the Catholic retreat industry seems now to have discovered and subscribed to the Tacky Theme Generating Service that I regret seeing in Protestant churches (recipe: take a dozen words like seeking, sharing, journey, spiritual, love, light, etc., shake them up in a paper bag, and draw out any two: presto! your theme!).</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve frequently said and will say many times more, one of the great strengths I see in my evangelical friends is that in their church *everyone* goes to Sunday School &#8212; adults as well as children &#8212; *every* Sunday. And they study Real Stuff: Jesus and the Biblical accounts. A few Catholics have discovered these riches, but pitifully few. Would that more would do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Brigitte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brigitte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Giovanni:  I am quite familiar with RC doctrine having grown up in Bavaria and attending Catholic Grammar School for 6 years, learning my Latin for years... (a good experience overall.)  

Also, we have had neighbors who were one lapsed, divorced Catholic and one lapsed Anglican who completed the RCIA to be married in the Catholic church and to attend services,-- due to our influence (there was no way they could have been Lutheran, as it was too German and too &quot;heretical&quot; for them--though lapsed, he was staunchly English Catholic.  We did go to each others churches occasionally out of friendship.  We had lovely times together.) (Their marriage still did not work out, sadly).  

So I am not sure you and I could have a fruitful dialogue, especially since you refer to my &quot;intentions&quot; and to my &quot;opinions&quot;.  This has my back up. Nothing I posted here is about me, nor are they merely my opinions.

If you would still like to talk with me, you may comment on any of my posts whether it relates to the post or not.  Sincerely, Brigitte.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Giovanni:  I am quite familiar with RC doctrine having grown up in Bavaria and attending Catholic Grammar School for 6 years, learning my Latin for years&#8230; (a good experience overall.)  </p>
<p>Also, we have had neighbors who were one lapsed, divorced Catholic and one lapsed Anglican who completed the RCIA to be married in the Catholic church and to attend services,&#8211; due to our influence (there was no way they could have been Lutheran, as it was too German and too &#8220;heretical&#8221; for them&#8211;though lapsed, he was staunchly English Catholic.  We did go to each others churches occasionally out of friendship.  We had lovely times together.) (Their marriage still did not work out, sadly).  </p>
<p>So I am not sure you and I could have a fruitful dialogue, especially since you refer to my &#8220;intentions&#8221; and to my &#8220;opinions&#8221;.  This has my back up. Nothing I posted here is about me, nor are they merely my opinions.</p>
<p>If you would still like to talk with me, you may comment on any of my posts whether it relates to the post or not.  Sincerely, Brigitte.</p>
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		<title>By: Eclectic Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eclectic Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy belated birthday from me too.  You continue to be an inspiration to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy belated birthday from me too.  You continue to be an inspiration to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Caila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael. I guess it&#039;s a little late to say Happy Birthday, but &#039;happy day&#039; anyway.
Thank you for such an open and real post. I grew up in all kinds of protestant denominations and have ended up attending Calvary Chapels. Thanks to my parents, however, I have always had a respect for the Catholic church. One can&#039;t really argue with the way they&#039;ve stood against social evils like abortion and homosexual marriage, etc., when the protestant denominations have waffled and waned continually.  After reading your post I have a healthy respect for the challenges that face multi-denominational families (is that even a word?). I don&#039;t think I ever really considered how difficult it could be for a Protestant to have a Catholic spouse, or vice versa. I respect the choices that you and your wife have made and rejoice that we have a God who can work through and above our differences. May we all grow in that &quot;necessary love&quot; you wrote about.
May God bless your family,
Caila</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael. I guess it&#8217;s a little late to say Happy Birthday, but &#8216;happy day&#8217; anyway.<br />
Thank you for such an open and real post. I grew up in all kinds of protestant denominations and have ended up attending Calvary Chapels. Thanks to my parents, however, I have always had a respect for the Catholic church. One can&#8217;t really argue with the way they&#8217;ve stood against social evils like abortion and homosexual marriage, etc., when the protestant denominations have waffled and waned continually.  After reading your post I have a healthy respect for the challenges that face multi-denominational families (is that even a word?). I don&#8217;t think I ever really considered how difficult it could be for a Protestant to have a Catholic spouse, or vice versa. I respect the choices that you and your wife have made and rejoice that we have a God who can work through and above our differences. May we all grow in that &#8220;necessary love&#8221; you wrote about.<br />
May God bless your family,<br />
Caila</p>
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		<title>By: Giovanni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to rules of the moderator of this Blog and his wishes I will not continue to discuss the principles of the faith.

However Brigitte your personal opinion on the matter is fully noted. If you would like to discuss this further please let me know and I will be more than happy to participate in your blog or respond to the issue at hand through E-mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to rules of the moderator of this Blog and his wishes I will not continue to discuss the principles of the faith.</p>
<p>However Brigitte your personal opinion on the matter is fully noted. If you would like to discuss this further please let me know and I will be more than happy to participate in your blog or respond to the issue at hand through E-mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy belated birthday, Michael.  My comment -- question, actually -- is much more pressing. 

What is oatmeal cake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy belated birthday, Michael.  My comment &#8212; question, actually &#8212; is much more pressing. </p>
<p>What is oatmeal cake?</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A respectful discussion is always welcome, but we won&#039;t be re-debating the reformation. Everyone has probably heard how all that turned out. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A respectful discussion is always welcome, but we won&#8217;t be re-debating the reformation. Everyone has probably heard how all that turned out. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brigitte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brigitte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Giovanni:  We also believe there is only one true church, and it is the universal, the catholic church, of which the head is Jesus Christ.

To this church belong all believers of all times and all places, all who believe and confess Christ, this might be a Roman Catholic or a Baptist, also.  

But we believe this faith is most properly explained and confessed in our Lutheran confessions based on the Bible, not on the hierarchy.

Luther was declared a heretic because he would rather make his ground on the scriptures than councils, which he believed could err, and most of us believe have erred, as there is much mandated that is not of biblical origin.  

So where does this universal church stand and who is its head?

(Sorry, I don&#039;t think Michael wanted to go there with his blog.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Giovanni:  We also believe there is only one true church, and it is the universal, the catholic church, of which the head is Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>To this church belong all believers of all times and all places, all who believe and confess Christ, this might be a Roman Catholic or a Baptist, also.  </p>
<p>But we believe this faith is most properly explained and confessed in our Lutheran confessions based on the Bible, not on the hierarchy.</p>
<p>Luther was declared a heretic because he would rather make his ground on the scriptures than councils, which he believed could err, and most of us believe have erred, as there is much mandated that is not of biblical origin.  </p>
<p>So where does this universal church stand and who is its head?</p>
<p>(Sorry, I don&#8217;t think Michael wanted to go there with his blog.)</p>
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		<title>By: Giovanni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brigitte, though I know your intentions are good. For a Catholic that truely believes that the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded, it would be impossible to join any other church no matter how similar or close to our individual way of thinking it may be. 

In other words there is not cherry picking when it comes to God&#039;s garden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brigitte, though I know your intentions are good. For a Catholic that truely believes that the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded, it would be impossible to join any other church no matter how similar or close to our individual way of thinking it may be. </p>
<p>In other words there is not cherry picking when it comes to God&#8217;s garden.</p>
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