Comments on: How are you going to fight that fight?

By: moonlady

moonlady — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:53:09 +0000

TO: Internet Elias

praise the lord..i have finally found a poster who shares my beliefs. i am not sure why people grasp at abortions and homosexuality-in the eyes of god all sin is equal. god hates sin…any sin…i think abortion should be left to the doctor and the mother…and in my beleif they will answer to god. as others have said, if a woman has an abortion and isnt a christian then she isnt gonna even consider that as a detriment to having the abortion in the first place. im sure lots of non christian women dont have abortions, just as lots of christian women do have them. in the end god will be the one who decides the fate. thats what i beleive. do christians forget that cheating on your taxes, calling in to work sick when you arent, cheating on your spouse…all of those are just a great a sin as the other.

i know this wasnt in the thread but i am excited to hear someone voice this opinion, i dont hear that very often. i often wonder why people dont get as upset over adultery or lying or stealing as they do over abortion or homosexuality–they are all a sin in gods eyes-none less or more..just a plain and simple sin.

god bless you all

By: Antigone

Antigone — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:40:35 +0000

Nedbrek-

I disagree, but suggest we take this back to my blog.

By: nedbrek

nedbrek — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:20:06 +0000

Antigone, (“Then what good is Christianity in the here-and-now?”):

The good of Christianity is that it is true.

That said, there should be some improvement in the behavior of Christians (a lot of people who say they are Christians, aren’t).

“I donâ€™t wish to be forgiven for anything Iâ€™ve done, until Iâ€™ve actually redeemed myself in the eyes of who Iâ€™ve hurt”

There is a horizontal (man-to-man) component of sin. But there is also a vertical (man-to-God) component. This is because God created man. Bad analogy:
If you hurt someone’s dog, you are sorry to the dog – but you also apologize to the owner. How much more, if the owner made the dog from nothing!

And people are much more valuable than dogs. This makes the hurt to God much greater.

It is redemption from God that we all need need most.

By: Internet Elias

Internet Elias — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:01:06 +0000

The Christian who believes the Bible is the Word of God will generally argue that giving and taking of life should be left to God. The intent of Roe vs Wade..in its beginning…was for the woman in CRISIS to, along with her doctor, pastor, and whomever’s advice she seeks….to make a decision she can tolerate. The perfect situation for pregnancy is that it be within the confines of a love relationship. Procreation, as intended by God, would result in the ‘one flesh’ offspring of the parents. But modern times seemingly considers sexual relationships as sport more than for procreation and turns to abortion for unwanted pregnancies. Personally, as a Christian, I believe life begins at conception. I taught severly disabled students for eighteen years. Many of my students were premature…weighing 1 to 2 pounds. They developed into beautiful people who made the world better for their being in it. I believe there are many personal reasons women have abortions. Whether those reasons are justified…rape…incest..and so forth…only God knows. As a Christian who is a democrat, I take a lot of chomping over abortion. In my view, only one person is accountable in an abortion….the woman who chose it. I’m not outraged over abortion because I have given my outrage to God. I’ll probably get screeched at by some commentors…..but I believe, from the standpoint of scripture, that the unborn child goes from death to life….as do we all. I’m bothered by the ‘dead murdered baby’ talk, paintings showing Jesus holding a limp incomplete aborted baby, and references to the defenseless unborn. If there is a God. If scripture is His voice. If there is an after-life…then we focus wrongly on abortion. In an abortion, my concern if for the woman….not the child. The child immediately goes to perfect LIFE…..in my belief. I know not everyone believes that. But I do. The woman who is desparate, has an abortion, and suffers over that loss is my concern. I believe abortion is sinful. But abortion is no different to adultery, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, child abuse, knowing children are starving around the world and doing nothing to help, divorce caused by infidelity with no repentance, and the poverty and struggle in which many with intellectual deficits find themselves. Where’s the outcry for the kids in these situations? An aborted unborn goes to God. These others are left here in this death to suffer. Where’s the outcry? And I know there are many compassionate people to do care and who do help with these other situations….but…mostly due to political rhetoric…the fists are aimed at abortion for political reasons mostly. Wisdom requires that all things be kept in perspective. Abortion is only one of the many, many sad realities of our time.

By: Antigone

Antigone — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:26:11 +0000

Aliasmoi-

If you google it, you find that the story does show up in a few Florida papers. Otherwise, I’d imagine it didn’t show up because it doesn’t sell papers.

Some days I wish news was required to be non-profit: then maybe they’d actually do their jobs as the 4th Estate.

By: Antigone

Antigone — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:24:03 +0000

Then what good is Christianity in the here-and-now? If it does not result in people being more moral, or treating people better, then what good is being Christian?

If I saw some sign that Christians as a group were better than any individual person; or heck, that after a conversion, that all the people who converted were more moral, then I’d be willing to call it a prescription for social ills. But as it does not, I don’t see how advocating for it is going to fix any problem at all.

I don’t wish to be forgiven for anything I’ve done, until I’ve actually redeemed myself in the eyes of who I’ve hurt, and hopefully have learned not to do that again. A third-party cannot grant me that.

By: nedbrek

nedbrek — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:59:50 +0000

Antigone,
You make an excellent point! I will be the first to announce that I am a sinner! It was this realization which made me look for a savior. It is only when we acknowledge that we are sinners (liars, thieves, adulterers) that we can come, broken and desperate, to the cross of Jesus.

A Christian is still a sinner, just forgiven.

By: Headless Unicorn Guy

Headless Unicorn Guy — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:20:31 +0000

Why havenâ€™t we read about this in a credible news source? — Aliasmoi

Not news.
doubleplusungood refs doubleplusunevents.
doubleplusungood refs doubleplusunpersons.
memhole.
– Our Betters the Media

By: James T Kirk

James T Kirk — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:16:36 +0000

Great points, I-monk.

MLK and the Southern CHRISTIAN Leadership Council won by changing the hearts and minds FIRST, the laws came later!

We Christians (necessarily pro-life, abortion is thoroughly antichrist) need to go the extra effort to win hearts and minds, not just point fingers and blame at the Clintons and O’Donnells of our nation.

By: Antigone

Antigone — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:08:26 +0000

Since plenty of “sin” has been done by people spreading the gospel, I call into question your prescription, nedbrek.