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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>St. Peter&#039;s Anglican Church has posted Part II of Fr. Dudley&#039;s Christmas 101 talk, given on December 6, 2009: http://www.vimeo.com/8021491</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>St. Peter&#8217;s Anglican Church has posted Part II of Fr. Dudley&#8217;s Christmas 101 talk, given on December 6, 2009: <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/8021491" rel="nofollow">http://www.vimeo.com/8021491</a></p>
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		<title>By: MAJ Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAJ Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, regarding Curtis&#039;s reply to Alice, in Latin, Lent is &quot;Quadragesima&quot; (a period of forty days), but you won&#039;t hear that outside of DOT-VA or TradCath circles much.  As far as how my family, a very Catholic one, with nuns, and now one cousin who is an actual monk (Benedictine of St. Meinrad, IN) spent the Advent season, I think in my youth I spent most of it in a tractor on the farm plowing a field, unless we had a very late harvest.  Lent was a much bigger deal.  Keep in mind, I grew up in the 80s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, regarding Curtis&#8217;s reply to Alice, in Latin, Lent is &#8220;Quadragesima&#8221; (a period of forty days), but you won&#8217;t hear that outside of DOT-VA or TradCath circles much.  As far as how my family, a very Catholic one, with nuns, and now one cousin who is an actual monk (Benedictine of St. Meinrad, IN) spent the Advent season, I think in my youth I spent most of it in a tractor on the farm plowing a field, unless we had a very late harvest.  Lent was a much bigger deal.  Keep in mind, I grew up in the 80s.</p>
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		<title>By: phil_style</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil_style</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed Santa (S.t Nich) is not pagan.

The red costumed, white bearded charicature of St. Nich that we are most familiar with is also not pagan but commercial. This particualr imagery was invented by Coca Cola.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed Santa (S.t Nich) is not pagan.</p>
<p>The red costumed, white bearded charicature of St. Nich that we are most familiar with is also not pagan but commercial. This particualr imagery was invented by Coca Cola.</p>
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		<title>By: BHaack</title>
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		<dc:creator>BHaack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the video.  I have heard Christians complain about the loss of Christmas in the public square.  Why?  The tragedy is the loss of Christmas in the Christian home.

I say: Kill Santa, eggnog, shopping, reindeeer &amp; Christmas trees.  We need to drive secularism out of the Christian home and the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the video.  I have heard Christians complain about the loss of Christmas in the public square.  Why?  The tragedy is the loss of Christmas in the Christian home.</p>
<p>I say: Kill Santa, eggnog, shopping, reindeeer &amp; Christmas trees.  We need to drive secularism out of the Christian home and the church.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, that&#039;s the whole point.  Fr. Dudley points out in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/rev-eric-dudley-st-peters-anglican-church-tallahassee-florida-the-nuts-and-bolts-of-anglican-liturgy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nuts and Bolts of Anglican LIturgy&quot;&lt;/a&gt; that the weird clothing puts the focus all on God and isn&#039;t supposed to be cultural at all.  When they&#039;re in the pulpit it&#039;s some guy in funny clothing speaking about the morning&#039;s Scripture readings and you&#039;re not really focused on who specifically is speaking or the ugly suit they&#039;re wearing.  Because they all wear the same thing every Sunday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, that&#8217;s the whole point.  Fr. Dudley points out in <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/rev-eric-dudley-st-peters-anglican-church-tallahassee-florida-the-nuts-and-bolts-of-anglican-liturgy" rel="nofollow">Nuts and Bolts of Anglican LIturgy&#8221;</a> that the weird clothing puts the focus all on God and isn&#8217;t supposed to be cultural at all.  When they&#8217;re in the pulpit it&#8217;s some guy in funny clothing speaking about the morning&#8217;s Scripture readings and you&#8217;re not really focused on who specifically is speaking or the ugly suit they&#8217;re wearing.  Because they all wear the same thing every Sunday!</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, my breviary calls the Easter season &quot;Paschaltide&quot;, as in &quot;the tones for Paschaltide&quot; or &quot;the Paschaltide antiphons&quot;, but also refers to Easter Sunday.

There&#039;s nothing wrong with multiple names for things, like Holy Week versus Passiontide, Christmas versus &quot;Feast of the Nativity&quot; and so on.

Lent is another English-only name that we have no plans to change to &quot;40 days season&quot; or something more international.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, my breviary calls the Easter season &#8220;Paschaltide&#8221;, as in &#8220;the tones for Paschaltide&#8221; or &#8220;the Paschaltide antiphons&#8221;, but also refers to Easter Sunday.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with multiple names for things, like Holy Week versus Passiontide, Christmas versus &#8220;Feast of the Nativity&#8221; and so on.</p>
<p>Lent is another English-only name that we have no plans to change to &#8220;40 days season&#8221; or something more international.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From another formerly-pagan territory, Easter in Irish is &quot;Cáisc&quot; which is derived from the church Latin for the season.  There is no corresponding pagan feast; the nearest would be Imbolc, in February.

So whoever Eostre may have been, she was a goddess with a limited base, and the &quot;Easter is really a pagan festival taken over by the Church&quot; is not terribly accurate.

To quote the good old Catholic Encyclopedia of 1913:

&quot;The English term, according to the Ven. Bede (De temporum ratione, I, v), relates to Estre, a Teutonic goddess of the rising light of day and spring, which deity, however, is otherwise unknown, even in the Edda (Simrock, Mythol., 362); Anglo-Saxon, eâster, eâstron; Old High German, ôstra, ôstrara, ôstrarûn; German, Ostern. April was called easter-monadh. The plural eâstron is used, because the feast lasts seven days. Like the French plural Pâques, it is a translation from the Latin Festa Paschalia, the entire octave of Easter. The Greek term for Easter, pascha, has nothing in common with the verb paschein, &quot;to suffer,&quot; although by the later symbolic writers it was connected with it; it is the Aramaic form of the Hebrew pesach (transitus, passover). The Greeks called Easter the pascha anastasimon; Good Friday the pascha staurosimon. The respective terms used by the Latins are Pascha resurrectionis and Pascha crucifixionis...The Romance languages have adopted the Hebrew-Greek term: Latin, Pascha; Italian, Pasqua; Spanish, Pascua; French, Pâques. Also some Celtic and Teutonic nations use it: Scottish, Pask; Dutch, Pasen Danish, Paaske; Swedish, Pask; even in the German provinces of the Lower Rhine the people call the feast Paisken not Ostern. The word is, principally in Spain and Italy, identified with the word &quot;solemnity&quot; and extended to other feasts, e.g. Sp., Pascua florida, Palm Sunday; Pascua de Pentecostes, Pentecost; Pascua de la Natividad, Christmas; Pascua de Epifania, Epiphany. In some parts of France also First Communion is called Pâques, whatever time of the year administered.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From another formerly-pagan territory, Easter in Irish is &#8220;Cáisc&#8221; which is derived from the church Latin for the season.  There is no corresponding pagan feast; the nearest would be Imbolc, in February.</p>
<p>So whoever Eostre may have been, she was a goddess with a limited base, and the &#8220;Easter is really a pagan festival taken over by the Church&#8221; is not terribly accurate.</p>
<p>To quote the good old Catholic Encyclopedia of 1913:</p>
<p>&#8220;The English term, according to the Ven. Bede (De temporum ratione, I, v), relates to Estre, a Teutonic goddess of the rising light of day and spring, which deity, however, is otherwise unknown, even in the Edda (Simrock, Mythol., 362); Anglo-Saxon, eâster, eâstron; Old High German, ôstra, ôstrara, ôstrarûn; German, Ostern. April was called easter-monadh. The plural eâstron is used, because the feast lasts seven days. Like the French plural Pâques, it is a translation from the Latin Festa Paschalia, the entire octave of Easter. The Greek term for Easter, pascha, has nothing in common with the verb paschein, &#8220;to suffer,&#8221; although by the later symbolic writers it was connected with it; it is the Aramaic form of the Hebrew pesach (transitus, passover). The Greeks called Easter the pascha anastasimon; Good Friday the pascha staurosimon. The respective terms used by the Latins are Pascha resurrectionis and Pascha crucifixionis&#8230;The Romance languages have adopted the Hebrew-Greek term: Latin, Pascha; Italian, Pasqua; Spanish, Pascua; French, Pâques. Also some Celtic and Teutonic nations use it: Scottish, Pask; Dutch, Pasen Danish, Paaske; Swedish, Pask; even in the German provinces of the Lower Rhine the people call the feast Paisken not Ostern. The word is, principally in Spain and Italy, identified with the word &#8220;solemnity&#8221; and extended to other feasts, e.g. Sp., Pascua florida, Palm Sunday; Pascua de Pentecostes, Pentecost; Pascua de la Natividad, Christmas; Pascua de Epifania, Epiphany. In some parts of France also First Communion is called Pâques, whatever time of the year administered.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the real problem isn&#039;t that Christians were trying to co opt pagan feasts as much as it was that pagans were trying to corrupt Christianity itself.  Constantine is commonly known as the first &quot;Christian&quot; emperor of Rome but he wasn&#039;t exactly what we would think of as orthodox in any real sense.  It was no real stretch for him to take his allegiance to the &quot;Sun,&quot; his coins were minted for years with the phrase &quot;committed to the invincible Sun (Sol Invictus), and blend it with his new found faith.  There is no record of a December 25th celebration of any kind in Christianity before the rise of Constantine.  

And there is material available out there to research this stuff.  Check out this book for instance - 
http://books.google.com/books?id=FJa72GHwQTIC&amp;dq=The+Codex+Calendar+of+354&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=in&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=VZQWS4HIMsuBnQf5_fXjBg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=11&amp;ved=0CDEQ6AEwCg#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false

I thought that Fr. Dudley did a good job of pointing out just how comfortable many are with the very unbiblical elements that have been incorporated into Christmas.  We are creatures of habit with a tendency to do things the way we always have done them with little or no examination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the real problem isn&#8217;t that Christians were trying to co opt pagan feasts as much as it was that pagans were trying to corrupt Christianity itself.  Constantine is commonly known as the first &#8220;Christian&#8221; emperor of Rome but he wasn&#8217;t exactly what we would think of as orthodox in any real sense.  It was no real stretch for him to take his allegiance to the &#8220;Sun,&#8221; his coins were minted for years with the phrase &#8220;committed to the invincible Sun (Sol Invictus), and blend it with his new found faith.  There is no record of a December 25th celebration of any kind in Christianity before the rise of Constantine.  </p>
<p>And there is material available out there to research this stuff.  Check out this book for instance &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=FJa72GHwQTIC&amp;dq=The+Codex+Calendar+of+354&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=in&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=VZQWS4HIMsuBnQf5_fXjBg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=11&amp;ved=0CDEQ6AEwCg#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=FJa72GHwQTIC&amp;dq=The+Codex+Calendar+of+354&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=in&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=VZQWS4HIMsuBnQf5_fXjBg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=11&amp;ved=0CDEQ6AEwCg#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false</a></p>
<p>I thought that Fr. Dudley did a good job of pointing out just how comfortable many are with the very unbiblical elements that have been incorporated into Christmas.  We are creatures of habit with a tendency to do things the way we always have done them with little or no examination.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Meacham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Meacham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up Episcopalian, Advent was one of the few times my family prayed together. The Advent Wreath was kind of a home altar, and at dinner we read scripture and shared a prayer based on the reading. To this day I don&#039;t know if I like Advent because of Christmas, or Christmas because of Advent.

Sunday the prelude was &quot;Wachet Auf&quot; by Bach. &quot;Wake, Awake, for Night is Flying...&quot; That, and the blue candles and vestments (blue to symbolize Hope) send shivers of hope to my heart and tears to my eyes. Maybe the new year will be different, I can&#039;t say how. &quot;Your kingdom come; your will be done on earth as in heaven.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up Episcopalian, Advent was one of the few times my family prayed together. The Advent Wreath was kind of a home altar, and at dinner we read scripture and shared a prayer based on the reading. To this day I don&#8217;t know if I like Advent because of Christmas, or Christmas because of Advent.</p>
<p>Sunday the prelude was &#8220;Wachet Auf&#8221; by Bach. &#8220;Wake, Awake, for Night is Flying&#8230;&#8221; That, and the blue candles and vestments (blue to symbolize Hope) send shivers of hope to my heart and tears to my eyes. Maybe the new year will be different, I can&#8217;t say how. &#8220;Your kingdom come; your will be done on earth as in heaven.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: willoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>willoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No disrespect meant about the clothing, it is just a cultural thing, something beyond by experience.  In my area preachers wear suits at least 15 years out of style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No disrespect meant about the clothing, it is just a cultural thing, something beyond by experience.  In my area preachers wear suits at least 15 years out of style.</p>
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