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	<title>Comments on: Guest Blogger: Introducing Steve Scott</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: dumb ox</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/guest-blogger-introducing-steve-scott/comment-page-1#comment-458428</link>
		<dc:creator>dumb ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 05:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran across some quotes of Martin Luther which may exacerbate the issue of thought vs. faith.  One is, &quot;Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense and understanding&quot;; another:  &quot;Human reason is like a drunken man on horseback; set it up on one side, and it tumbles over on the other&quot;; and this one, apparently even picked up on by Dawkins: &quot;reason is the enemy of faith&quot;.  John Wesley even accused Luther of having a low view of reason. 

I don&#039;t completely defend Luther&#039;s view of reason; however, I think generally he has been misunderstood.  All my best reason tells me that I could never be forgiven.  In that context, reason stands as my accuser - echoing the stern message of the law.  My reason is absolutely correct: I don&#039;t deserve to be forgiven; without Christ, I am beyond hope of forgiveness.  But Romans 5:8 says that I am forgiven, in spite of what my reason or the law may say.

I don&#039;t think Luther had a low view of reason or the law.  I think he just knew how scandalous God&#039;s grace is.  I think Luther also had a skewed view of Aquinas, but that&#039;s another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran across some quotes of Martin Luther which may exacerbate the issue of thought vs. faith.  One is, &#8220;Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense and understanding&#8221;; another:  &#8220;Human reason is like a drunken man on horseback; set it up on one side, and it tumbles over on the other&#8221;; and this one, apparently even picked up on by Dawkins: &#8220;reason is the enemy of faith&#8221;.  John Wesley even accused Luther of having a low view of reason. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t completely defend Luther&#8217;s view of reason; however, I think generally he has been misunderstood.  All my best reason tells me that I could never be forgiven.  In that context, reason stands as my accuser &#8211; echoing the stern message of the law.  My reason is absolutely correct: I don&#8217;t deserve to be forgiven; without Christ, I am beyond hope of forgiveness.  But <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Romans+5%3A8" class="bibleref" title="ESV Romans 5:8">Romans 5:8</a> says that I am forgiven, in spite of what my reason or the law may say.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Luther had a low view of reason or the law.  I think he just knew how scandalous God&#8217;s grace is.  I think Luther also had a skewed view of Aquinas, but that&#8217;s another story.</p>
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		<title>By: noarminian</title>
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		<dc:creator>noarminian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...you still drinking a 6 pack a night?  Not that there&#039;s anything wrong with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;you still drinking a 6 pack a night?  Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: The Kingdom of God = The Church</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: The Kingdom of God = The Church</p>
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		<title>By: Neb Milbourn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neb Milbourn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I enjoyed your post.  I&#039;ll be adding your blog to my regular reads.  

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I enjoyed your post.  I&#8217;ll be adding your blog to my regular reads.  </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 04:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All,

Thank you for the warm welcome.  It is much appreciated.

treebeard, one church I attended had standards for membership that I simply couldn&#039;t meet. I had to agree jot and tittle with all their creeds, confessions, by-laws, etc.  It was too much to have to agree with.  That&#039;s how I escaped the legalism, and the Sovereign Grace baptist group and my next church pointed a lot of things out, and were more grace oriented.  The ministry burnout was solved when we adopted a child.  I had to quit them all.

AnneG, I haven&#039;t read them, but would love to have the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>Thank you for the warm welcome.  It is much appreciated.</p>
<p>treebeard, one church I attended had standards for membership that I simply couldn&#8217;t meet. I had to agree jot and tittle with all their creeds, confessions, by-laws, etc.  It was too much to have to agree with.  That&#8217;s how I escaped the legalism, and the Sovereign Grace baptist group and my next church pointed a lot of things out, and were more grace oriented.  The ministry burnout was solved when we adopted a child.  I had to quit them all.</p>
<p>AnneG, I haven&#8217;t read them, but would love to have the time.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savannah,

Please don&#039;t assume that I am associating your comment with all possible future comments.

I just know that the accusation of racism is denied by many who have read him, and the accusation of racism is regularly leveled at guys like Doug Wilson, who I know isn&#039;t a racist.

I have never mentioned Rushdoony unless I was quoting someone else. I haven&#039;t read the guy and don&#039;t plan to. I do know a bit about his influence on some good people and some not so good ones.

I don&#039;t want a Rushdoony debate, but I also don&#039;t want matter of fact statements on racism unless they have some available documentation.

Honestly I am not smacking or shooting. I am not comfortable with theonomy and have no plans to undertake any discussions of it.

Just trying to moderate here.

peace

ms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savannah,</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t assume that I am associating your comment with all possible future comments.</p>
<p>I just know that the accusation of racism is denied by many who have read him, and the accusation of racism is regularly leveled at guys like Doug Wilson, who I know isn&#8217;t a racist.</p>
<p>I have never mentioned Rushdoony unless I was quoting someone else. I haven&#8217;t read the guy and don&#8217;t plan to. I do know a bit about his influence on some good people and some not so good ones.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want a Rushdoony debate, but I also don&#8217;t want matter of fact statements on racism unless they have some available documentation.</p>
<p>Honestly I am not smacking or shooting. I am not comfortable with theonomy and have no plans to undertake any discussions of it.</p>
<p>Just trying to moderate here.</p>
<p>peace</p>
<p>ms</p>
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		<title>By: Savannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said Steve was &quot;guilty by association&quot;, IM.  He brought up Rushdoony, and later confirms that he knew it would be a problem for some people.

Here&#039;s an irony:  the only reason I know anything about Rushdoony is because you wrote a post on &quot;complementarianism&quot; awhile back and I started seriously researching this view and that led me to th patriarchal &quot;view&quot;, and the fact is that Rushdoony is a hero to a lot of these patriarchal folks.  Rushdoony&#039;s writings and viewpoints are not hard to find, btw.

So give me a smack with a ruler if you want, but I&#039;m not the one who brought this very controversial. . .uhmmm. . . theologian up.  I understand that he is part of Steve&#039;s journey, but he admits knowing that it would probably cause some angst for people who know who this man was.  And it did.  So shoot me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said Steve was &#8220;guilty by association&#8221;, IM.  He brought up Rushdoony, and later confirms that he knew it would be a problem for some people.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an irony:  the only reason I know anything about Rushdoony is because you wrote a post on &#8220;complementarianism&#8221; awhile back and I started seriously researching this view and that led me to th patriarchal &#8220;view&#8221;, and the fact is that Rushdoony is a hero to a lot of these patriarchal folks.  Rushdoony&#8217;s writings and viewpoints are not hard to find, btw.</p>
<p>So give me a smack with a ruler if you want, but I&#8217;m not the one who brought this very controversial. . .uhmmm. . . theologian up.  I understand that he is part of Steve&#8217;s journey, but he admits knowing that it would probably cause some angst for people who know who this man was.  And it did.  So shoot me.</p>
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		<title>By: AnneG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnneG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, Enjoyed reading, but have to look up some things (Rushdoony sounds like a Ben &amp; Jerry&#039;s flavor). Just curious, Have you ever read Ambrose, Ignatius of Antioch or Augustine of Hippo? They have lots to say about church, thinking and connecting dots. AnneG in NC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Enjoyed reading, but have to look up some things (Rushdoony sounds like a Ben &amp; Jerry&#8217;s flavor). Just curious, Have you ever read Ambrose, Ignatius of Antioch or Augustine of Hippo? They have lots to say about church, thinking and connecting dots. AnneG in NC</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of clarifications.  First, I could see the Rushdoony comments coming before I wrote this. :) Anyway, I read him for 5-6 years, gleaned some good things from him, then came to a number of different conclusions.

Second, I don&#039;t think that &quot;what to believe&quot; is void of reason and thinking.  As evangelicals, we have a large body of knowledge given to us with a lot of dots to connect using a lot of reason and thinking.  Often &quot;what to believe&quot; is &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; being told how the dots connect themselves together.  I enjoy finding the dots that aren&#039;t in the picture originally given to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of clarifications.  First, I could see the Rushdoony comments coming before I wrote this. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Anyway, I read him for 5-6 years, gleaned some good things from him, then came to a number of different conclusions.</p>
<p>Second, I don&#8217;t think that &#8220;what to believe&#8221; is void of reason and thinking.  As evangelicals, we have a large body of knowledge given to us with a lot of dots to connect using a lot of reason and thinking.  Often &#8220;what to believe&#8221; is <i>also</i> being told how the dots connect themselves together.  I enjoy finding the dots that aren&#8217;t in the picture originally given to us.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK....Let me be clear that I don&#039;t know enough about Rushdoony to verify or deny anything said about him on here. Please folks, let&#039;s not go down the &quot;someone said Rushdoony, I&#039;ll say &quot;racist&quot; road.

He said the guy taught him how to think. I could have left that out and skipped these comments, but it&#039;s Steve&#039;s journey. I once had a box of R.B. Thieme materials. Shoot me.

Let&#039;s keep it where it is, and not open the box of guilt by association.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;.Let me be clear that I don&#8217;t know enough about Rushdoony to verify or deny anything said about him on here. Please folks, let&#8217;s not go down the &#8220;someone said Rushdoony, I&#8217;ll say &#8220;racist&#8221; road.</p>
<p>He said the guy taught him how to think. I could have left that out and skipped these comments, but it&#8217;s Steve&#8217;s journey. I once had a box of R.B. Thieme materials. Shoot me.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep it where it is, and not open the box of guilt by association.</p>
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