October 23, 2017

Giving Away “The Gospel for Those Broken by the Church”

A word from friend of IM, Patrick Kyle

This past weekend I had a chance to hear Dr. Rosenbladt give his lecture entitled ‘The Gospel for Those Broken by the Church’ to a packed house. As Ted and I sat and watched the impact of Dr. R’s words on the audience, I knew it was past time to give it away for free. Both Rod and Ted agreed.  So we are giving it away.

Feel free to download, make copies, quote at length, link to, or print  and hand out.  The Mp3 and both PDF formats are available, and later this year we will be adding a video version filmed in front of a live audience, including a question and answer session.

This lecture was one of the reasons we created New Reformation Press, and it has been influential in the lives and ministries of many people.   It has given hope to literally hundreds of bruised reeds and smoldering wicks barely clinging to faith in churches that have lost their way and lost sight of Christ.  Others abandoned church long ago and considered themselves failed Christians. This is another word for them, not of cursing but of blessing.

This lecture was one of the main reasons our friend, the late Michael Spencer, wanted us to put our ad on his blog, and he recommended it to his readers a number of times. It speaks to many who find themselves in what Michael called the ‘Post-Evangelical Wilderness’ as some of you can attest.

Below is an excerpt from the lecture in which Dr. Rosenbladt describes the entry into Heaven by those who appeared to be failures as a Christian in this life.  This past weekend as he read these words with tears in his eyes, members of the audience openly wept.

FOR AUDIO SAMPLE CLICK HERE

You can see why we think this lecture is so important.

For a number of years we charged a small fee for the Mp3 and the PDF, in order to defray our costs and to give a small royalty to Dr. Rosenbladt for letting us put it on our site.  After some discussion with him we decided that it was time to give it away to whoever wanted it.

If you have purchased the Mp3 or PDF from us in the past, let us know if you decide to purchase something else from our site and we will give you a credit equal to the amount you spent on the ‘Gospel for Those Broken by the Church.’

We know this presentation will be of immense help to many, and ask your help in getting it out there to those who need to hear it.

To get this outstanding message of grace, click on the New Ref Press banner in the sidebar, go their site, and click “Freebies” at the top.

Comments

  1. Great! Is there a special link in this post to the pdf file itself?

  2. Steve, click New Ref Press’s ad in the sidebar, go to their site, and click on “Freebies.” You’ll find both the full message and PDF there.

  3. Thanks so much, Chaplain Mike!

    Here’s a quick direct link to the page where we’re making these things available.

    We invite everyone to share this material however they want. You can also now comment directly on the above page to let everyone know your thoughts about Dr. Rosenbladt’s presentation. I will make sure Dr. Rosenbladt keeps an eye on any comments made there.

    If you do use this material on a website somewhere, if you could just add a link to our site, that would be greatly appreciated.

    Under the completely sufficient imputed righteousness.

  4. Don’t forget these two Rod Instant classics from this years mockingbird conference:

    The Good News of the Bound Will
    Justification: Freedom Based on What is True

  5. Dinah Clarke says:

    every time I click on the link I get a timeout error message ….. it is the same if I go to the Reformation Press web site … the site comes up, but when I click on “freebies” the error message comes up.

    Would love a PDF version of this sermon.

    any suggestions?

    • Dinah, I just tried it and was able to download the PDF. Yesterday, I did the same and got the mp3. Not sure what’s happening. Keep trying and let me know what happens.

  6. Dinah, are you continuing to have problems? Can you try clicking on the link I dropped on here above in these comments and let me know if you’re able to get to it? I’d really like to make sure you can get there successfully and grab the files.

    Thanks!

  7. This post is phenomenal; the thoughts of Dr. Rosenbladt are spot-on. Though I know his background isn’t in evangelicalism, this issue is what is known as “the Lordship Debate” in a big book debate by John MacArthur and Zane Hodges. I couldn’t agree with Dr. Rosenbladt more. Does anyone know if the interview with Bill Kinnison is available anywhere?

  8. Powerful speech.
    Dr R is a Blessing to the body of Christ.

  9. I saw this link yesterday and decided to read it. B/c certainly, there are many who have been broken by the church. However, now having read it, I’m wondering why this blog would want to promote something full of such hatred toward other believers? Not only that, but something that characterizes the people it attacks so incorrectly?

    Rosenbladt’s main premise is people are hurt by the church and that’s a problem. That the church has an obligation to preach teh Gospel to these people on a weekly basis, and not tell them they’re not true Christians if they aren’t doing X enough. We need to assure them of God’s grace. I say Amen!

    But Rosenbladt’s underlying theme is that the thing that broke these people is Wesleyanism, and all Wesleyan churches. Seriously? I know neither this blog, nor Michael Spencer, are Wesleyan, but never before have I read anything so ridiculous on this blog. In fact, I’d restate that to say that I don’t think I’ve ever read anything ridiculous on this blog, until now. Dr. Rosenbladt can’t have ever met a Wesleyan.

    I joined the Nazarene church after becoming acquainted with it in college. Few things they taught me, then or now, are radically different than what I grew up being taught in my non-denominational Reformed church. And in all my time around Nazarenes (and I’ve been in several Naz churches in various parts of the country, rural and suburban, rich and poor, multicultural and white), I have never experiences what Dr. Rosenbladt seems to claim is par for the course for any Wesleyan church. Neither have I experienced it from non-Nazarene Wesleyans. I have witnessed judgmentalism in Pentecostals, but ironically, it was judgmentalism about being judgmental.

    Wesleyans are all about grace. Nazarenes are all about grace. The only Nazarenes I’ve come across that are not (based on what I’ve read from their own hand), are those that refer to themselves as “Reformed Nazarenes.” Which, again, is ironic given Dr. Rosenbladt’s position.

    I cannot speak for generic Wesleyan preaching, and I’ve only heard one Pentecostal preacher, and I found him wanting. But Nazarene preaching “destructive” and “faith destroying”? For the reasons Rosenbladt lists specifically? Certainly not.

    Exactly how is applying scriptural teaching to our lives (“application section”) destructive? Are churches not supposed to teach the whole of Scripture? Scripture tells us to love God. God asks for holiness–which is where Christian behavior, ethics and living come in. God also asks for mercy toward others. He also says, if we love Him, we will love our neighbor, and love extends that mercy toward others when they fall short, while still encouragng them to keep walking with Jesus. To keep trying. We are also told that it’s not by our own power that we live as God’s people and holy witnesses in this world–it’s by the power of His Spirit. I’ve yet to hear a Nazarene or Wesleyan say otherwise–that’s it’s about following rules, and if you break them you’re not a “true” Christian. In fact, I have heard those words before. And they were from Reformed Christians. Yet I don’t go around telling people that “all” Reformed Christians are like the few who were that way, or that what they teach is destructive. That seems like the destructive thing to do, as it purposefully creates disunity among God’s people.

    Rosenbladt also claims that non-Reformation (Wesleyan) churches counsel that we need to be born again *again*. Again, I’ve never heard this in Wesleyan circles. I have heard it in Reformed circles.

    He laments Sunday School curriculum filled with Bible stories designed to teach a moral point with every lesson. “But it really wasn’t the fault of those grey-haird Sunday School teachers….It was the theology they were assigned to teach.” From the context, I can only infer “obedience to God in holy living.” Should we not teach morality to our kids? Is it wrong to teach them not to lie, steal or murder? Even pagans teach their kids how to behave in society. And this drives them from God? If it does drive them from the church, does it mean we water down God’s word to cater to them?

    It is true that the unexpected occurs. That sin continues to be part of our lives. This isn’t unexpected because of what a church might teach. It’s unexpected b/c of what God’s word says. If you don’t get it from Jesus, it’s almost a natural thought process from reading Paul. Are we going to claim that Paul is destructive and faith-destroying? No, because Paul acknowledges the “now-not yet” paradox. “If I am elect and regenerate, why is it that my gratitude is so small, so lacking on a daily basis?” Because nothing has been finally consummated. Jesus has done it. It is finished. And yet, we don’t have the new heaven and new earth here with us. There is still a waiting. Not for our justification. Not for our salvation. But as long as we are in this current world, it remains a struggle. Thus the constant call to keep persevering.

    But to leave it at “Jesus did it. It is finished.” and nothing more, ignores the work of the Spirit. Jesus said He was sending His Spirit, which would be even better than His own presence here with us. His Spirit guides us and helps us as we strive to walk as the Father’s obedient, loving children. Do Wesleyans teach that the Spirit works in us to transform us into Christ’s likeness? Yes. Do we teach that we should strive for Christian Perfection? “Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect?” Yes. And Jesus does, too. But Wesleyans can only teach that, and can only continue to teach that, because of how strongly we believe in God’s grace. We know we fail. We know others fail. “Forgive us our sins AS we forgive those who sin against us.” Praise the Lord for His Grace! Now keep striving, and run the good race!

    The good race isn’t, “Well, now I’m saved, so there’s nothing more to do. I’ll just sit here, stagnant, not worrying about obedience because it might make me uncomfortable.” It’s telling the world, “Look! Jesus is King! He is our Lord! We are His people! He alone can save us! Come out of Babylon and join us as we do the work He’s called us to do, by His power!”

    The category of “sinner” does still apply to all Christians. We are all “simultaneously sinful and yet justified before the holy God.” We deal with sinfulness, we deal with depression. Wesleyans have not “reached” perfection. But we do take scripture literally when it says to strive for it. Rosenbladt’s examples of “nude faith” and sola fide are spot on. Lewis knew what he was talking about in The Last Battle. Christian failures ARE going to walk into heaven, be welcomed into heaven, leap into heaven like a calf leaping out of its stall, laughing and laughing, as if it’s all too good to be true. Liberal or conservative, Catholic or Protestant, Open Theist or Determinist. Even Dahmer, if his heart was truly right with Jesus as he claimed. Only God knows. But Lewis believed that pastors should teach obedience to God. Lewis would not begrudge teaching morality to children, nor that we shouldn’t strive to be holy as Jesus is holy, if for no other reason than because Jesus asks us to. And we do it by Jesus’ power, not ours.

    If anything, I feel it’s things like this paper/speech that drive people to dislike the church so much. It is this paper that is so judgmental. If there’s an humorous irony here that I’m missing, please spell it out. Rosenbladt basically called out every form of Christian who is not like him and said “they’re not true Christians.” He’s not talking about certain sins or failings that should be addressed. He’s talking about certain people that are clearly not Christian because they don’t have enough theology, they don’t have enough sola fide, they don’t have ENOUGH. (and isn’t that exactly what he says is wrong with “us”, that we say you don’t read you bible enough or pray enough….) Assuming the things he claims about those other denominations are true (and I find that highly debatable), is he then saying that striving to have enough of those things is what makes us Christian? Wouldn’t that be works righteousness? I have to imagine he’s NOT saying that, because that would go against his argument about doing enough Bible reading. His argument is incoherent, to yell at Wesleyans who supposedly make such harsh demands and go around determining who are in and who aren’t; but then to do the exact same thing himself. Should they have those things (theology, sola fide, etc)? Yes. But is it right knowledge or right “heart” that shows they’re saved? In his own words, is sola fide true or is sola fide not true in the case of “failing” Christians? Why are we promoting a speech that is so judgmental and unloving?

    As was posted on this very blog not to long ago, if you can’t call someone a friend, then call them an enemy, but love them anyway. And loving people isn’t just in hugs and kisses. It’s also in guarding our words, and keeping hatred out of our speech.

    This is the only thing from Dr. Rosenbladt I’ve read. From the above responses, it seems clear he is loved. I hope that means that his other writings/speeches are less hateful than this one.

  10. People are just loving the good news which Dr. Rosenbladt is teaching here. And for good reason. He speaks directly to their experiences. They’ve said so.

    Here’s a video which we just posted on our blog in which he covers this further. It is a re-recording of the presentation which he made for the Mockingbird Conference in New York City a couple months ago.

    http://vimeo.com/11938464

    Don’t miss it. It includes some great Q&A at the end.

    • I was only able to watch 25 minutes of this video link due to my slow computer. The message at that link certainly seems to contain a much better spirit.

      I still don’t get your “loving the good news” comment regarding the original “Broken by the Church” message. The message that “denominations X, Y, and Z aren’t Christian” isn’t good news. It’s vitriol. Unpackage the message of grace from all that hate, and people would benefit much more.

      Everyone speaks from their experiences. Experience is why we have Catholics fleeing to less-liturgical traditions and Baptists fleeing to Catholicism and Orthodoxy. That doesn’t make one or the other un-Christian. I spoke from my own experience; but I don’t want to hear people preach that Reformed churches break people, or that they’re destructive or faith-destroying. I’d be blind if I thought that was OK. Experience is not a reason to preach hate. The message should speak to their experiences in a balanced, unhateful way. Keep your disagreements, keep your integrity, but speak in love and with truth. And the characterizations of Wesleyanism that are given, as I addressed above, are not truth.