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	<title>Comments on: General Joyce Conquers The World! (Impressions from my bookstore visit.)</title>
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		<title>By: Jason S. Kong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason S. Kong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have to admit that sometimes when I need someting to perk me up, I go online and watch an episode of &quot;This Is Your Day!&quot;  Usually the ones where Hinn says &quot;Touch!&quot; and the crowds topple over are the ones that make me giggle like a sore foot.

As for Joyce Meyers and the rest of the crew&#039;s Word Faith/Prosperity Gospel movement... what can I say?    Go ask your daughter to give you a makeover.  I&#039;m sure you can be just as impressive in a dress as your &quot;General&quot; can.  ^_^

Okay, okay, I&#039;m done.

Seriously, it was a good read, something I have also noticed in bookstores.  Most of my books also come from either Amazon and B&amp;N, with the exception of one.  I always stared at her face while there and gave her a wink as I pulled a book next to her but not of her.  I&#039;m sure she frowned at me when I wasn&#039;t looking at her booking.

Keep up the writing!  A good overview indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have to admit that sometimes when I need someting to perk me up, I go online and watch an episode of &#8220;This Is Your Day!&#8221;  Usually the ones where Hinn says &#8220;Touch!&#8221; and the crowds topple over are the ones that make me giggle like a sore foot.</p>
<p>As for Joyce Meyers and the rest of the crew&#8217;s Word Faith/Prosperity Gospel movement&#8230; what can I say?    Go ask your daughter to give you a makeover.  I&#8217;m sure you can be just as impressive in a dress as your &#8220;General&#8221; can.  ^_^</p>
<p>Okay, okay, I&#8217;m done.</p>
<p>Seriously, it was a good read, something I have also noticed in bookstores.  Most of my books also come from either Amazon and B&#038;N, with the exception of one.  I always stared at her face while there and gave her a wink as I pulled a book next to her but not of her.  I&#8217;m sure she frowned at me when I wasn&#8217;t looking at her booking.</p>
<p>Keep up the writing!  A good overview indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: John H</title>
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		<dc:creator>John H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I&#039;m pleased to report that things aren&#039;t *quite* as bad as that here in the UK, yet (though there has been a discernible shift from &quot;real books&quot; to assorted gifts, even in the eleven years I&#039;ve been frequenting Christian bookshops). 

Wesley Owen is probably the biggest Christian chain here in the UK, and, while there is a fair amount of WWJD trinkets, and rank upon serried rank of Left Behind books and spin-offs, you can still pick up lots of good books - commentaries (from &quot;Wright for Everyone&quot; through &quot;Bible Speaks Today&quot;, right up to scholarly commentaries), doctrine (the likes of JI Packer and John Stott clearly still sell, plus systematic theologies like Wayne Grudem&#039;s), and lots of Bibles (some of which, if you look *really* hard, actually come with just the biblical text, without any notes specially targeted at helping 30-something fathers of two live victorious lives of faith in the Spirit).

And my local Christian bookshop - called, originally, &quot;The Christian Bookshop&quot;, and which has two branches, one a mile from home, one 200 yards from my office; how cool is that? - is still basically a *bookshop*, even if a bit Reformed for my current tastes (though I did pick up one of the &quot;Paul for Everyone&quot; books there yesterday, and a copy of the Church of England&#039;s new &quot;breviary&quot; last week).

But Amazon.co.uk still does it for me - especially with the weak dollar, which makes US-published Lutheran books (like there&#039;s any *other* kind of Lutheran book, in English) ludicrously cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m pleased to report that things aren&#8217;t *quite* as bad as that here in the UK, yet (though there has been a discernible shift from &#8220;real books&#8221; to assorted gifts, even in the eleven years I&#8217;ve been frequenting Christian bookshops). </p>
<p>Wesley Owen is probably the biggest Christian chain here in the UK, and, while there is a fair amount of WWJD trinkets, and rank upon serried rank of Left Behind books and spin-offs, you can still pick up lots of good books &#8211; commentaries (from &#8220;Wright for Everyone&#8221; through &#8220;Bible Speaks Today&#8221;, right up to scholarly commentaries), doctrine (the likes of JI Packer and John Stott clearly still sell, plus systematic theologies like Wayne Grudem&#8217;s), and lots of Bibles (some of which, if you look *really* hard, actually come with just the biblical text, without any notes specially targeted at helping 30-something fathers of two live victorious lives of faith in the Spirit).</p>
<p>And my local Christian bookshop &#8211; called, originally, &#8220;The Christian Bookshop&#8221;, and which has two branches, one a mile from home, one 200 yards from my office; how cool is that? &#8211; is still basically a *bookshop*, even if a bit Reformed for my current tastes (though I did pick up one of the &#8220;Paul for Everyone&#8221; books there yesterday, and a copy of the Church of England&#8217;s new &#8220;breviary&#8221; last week).</p>
<p>But Amazon.co.uk still does it for me &#8211; especially with the weak dollar, which makes US-published Lutheran books (like there&#8217;s any *other* kind of Lutheran book, in English) ludicrously cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: John H</title>
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		<dc:creator>John H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for double-post - forgot to add that, the flip-side of the coin is that &quot;religion&quot; sections in mainstream bookshops completely suxx0r. Normally two or three shelves consisting of a shelf of Bibles, a couple of Prayer Books, a handful of CS Lewis books, and then a decidedly odd, but small, selection of other Christian (and &quot;Christian&quot;) books.

Take out the confirmation gift-edition Bibles, and the Dalai Lama normally beats twenty centuries of Christian literature hands-down, in terms of shelf-space.

And if I see one more copy of &quot;Conversations with God&quot; by Neale Donald Walsch filed under &quot;Christian&quot;, I&#039;ll scream.

I&#039;d guess that the smaller Christian market in the UK is responsible both for the better quality of Christian bookshop (since they really do have to be run for love rather than just to rake in cash), and the poorer quality of Christian sections in mainstream bookshops (since there&#039;s no money in it, and shop managers don&#039;t have any feel for what Christians are really after).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for double-post &#8211; forgot to add that, the flip-side of the coin is that &#8220;religion&#8221; sections in mainstream bookshops completely suxx0r. Normally two or three shelves consisting of a shelf of Bibles, a couple of Prayer Books, a handful of CS Lewis books, and then a decidedly odd, but small, selection of other Christian (and &#8220;Christian&#8221;) books.</p>
<p>Take out the confirmation gift-edition Bibles, and the Dalai Lama normally beats twenty centuries of Christian literature hands-down, in terms of shelf-space.</p>
<p>And if I see one more copy of &#8220;Conversations with God&#8221; by Neale Donald Walsch filed under &#8220;Christian&#8221;, I&#8217;ll scream.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d guess that the smaller Christian market in the UK is responsible both for the better quality of Christian bookshop (since they really do have to be run for love rather than just to rake in cash), and the poorer quality of Christian sections in mainstream bookshops (since there&#8217;s no money in it, and shop managers don&#8217;t have any feel for what Christians are really after).</p>
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		<title>By: Sven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Meyer is theologically light years ahead of Joel Osteen&quot;

I&#039;ve never read Joel Osteen, but if that&#039;s true then he must be truly awful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Meyer is theologically light years ahead of Joel Osteen&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never read Joel Osteen, but if that&#8217;s true then he must be truly awful.</p>
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		<title>By: Benazeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benazeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only have two comments:

Amen!

And, how can someone relatively new to reading, for lack of a better work, religious books tell the difference between solid history/theology/teaching and utter dreck? I&#039;ve only been a Christian for a few years, and have already amassed a list a mile long of books well-meaning friends gave me that I thought were nonsense. My two concerns are: I work 60 hours a week; how can I tell quickly whether a book is worth my time reading it before I&#039;ve invested several evenings and $20 into it? and how do I know that the things I thought were reasonably theologically sound actually were? (I&#039;m not worried about literary style or general readability; I&#039;m pretty confident in my ability to tell quality writing from bad, but both good and terrible ideas can be expressed eloquently)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only have two comments:</p>
<p>Amen!</p>
<p>And, how can someone relatively new to reading, for lack of a better work, religious books tell the difference between solid history/theology/teaching and utter dreck? I&#8217;ve only been a Christian for a few years, and have already amassed a list a mile long of books well-meaning friends gave me that I thought were nonsense. My two concerns are: I work 60 hours a week; how can I tell quickly whether a book is worth my time reading it before I&#8217;ve invested several evenings and $20 into it? and how do I know that the things I thought were reasonably theologically sound actually were? (I&#8217;m not worried about literary style or general readability; I&#8217;m pretty confident in my ability to tell quality writing from bad, but both good and terrible ideas can be expressed eloquently)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been keeping my tabs on both LifeWay and Family Christian for a while now, checking in on each every two months or so. Over the past few years I&#039;ve noticed a marked improvement on their offerings. Maybe it&#039;s different here in Jax, being so close to First Baptist, but I get the feeling that it&#039;s pretty standard distribution.

First off, LifeWay is definitely the lesser of the two evils. Family Christian carries a much larger selection Meyers and Meyers-esque literature. Maybe it&#039;s because Baptists are as into non-denom/charismatic/health-wealth stuff as non-denoms are. But, sure most of SB offerings are nothing to brag about.

I have noticed both a growth in the &quot;Christian Living&quot; section and the &quot;Theology&quot; section as well as their commentary offerings. I have watched as their Piper collection has grown from nothing to &quot;Desiring God&quot; to &quot;Future Grace&quot; to a regular release of his literature. They carry many of Lewis&#039; titles. Even the fictional ones. They carry Spurgeon, Andrew Murray, Thomas Kemper, and if I was there right now I could point you to many more quality offerings - things you might find on Discerning Reader (Brennan Manning also comes to mind).

They offer a full selection of Wright&#039;s For Everyone series and Calvin&#039;s commentaries.

They offer the ESV in its many forms.

I have picked up and/or seen Ian Murray&#039;s &quot;Redemption: Accomplished and Applied,&quot; John Stott&#039;s &quot;The Cross of Christ,&quot; Wayne Grudem&#039;s &quot;Systematic Theology,&quot; J. I. Packer&#039;s &quot;Knowing God&quot;, and Francis Schaeffer&#039;s &quot;How Should We Then Live?&quot;

My point is that while they still push the evangeli-crap, they have come a long way in my book and I imagine they&#039;ll get consistently better. Maybe eventually you&#039;ll see some of those titles on their best seller rack, and then things might really start to turn around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been keeping my tabs on both LifeWay and Family Christian for a while now, checking in on each every two months or so. Over the past few years I&#8217;ve noticed a marked improvement on their offerings. Maybe it&#8217;s different here in Jax, being so close to First Baptist, but I get the feeling that it&#8217;s pretty standard distribution.</p>
<p>First off, LifeWay is definitely the lesser of the two evils. Family Christian carries a much larger selection Meyers and Meyers-esque literature. Maybe it&#8217;s because Baptists are as into non-denom/charismatic/health-wealth stuff as non-denoms are. But, sure most of SB offerings are nothing to brag about.</p>
<p>I have noticed both a growth in the &#8220;Christian Living&#8221; section and the &#8220;Theology&#8221; section as well as their commentary offerings. I have watched as their Piper collection has grown from nothing to &#8220;Desiring God&#8221; to &#8220;Future Grace&#8221; to a regular release of his literature. They carry many of Lewis&#8217; titles. Even the fictional ones. They carry Spurgeon, Andrew Murray, Thomas Kemper, and if I was there right now I could point you to many more quality offerings &#8211; things you might find on Discerning Reader (Brennan Manning also comes to mind).</p>
<p>They offer a full selection of Wright&#8217;s For Everyone series and Calvin&#8217;s commentaries.</p>
<p>They offer the ESV in its many forms.</p>
<p>I have picked up and/or seen Ian Murray&#8217;s &#8220;Redemption: Accomplished and Applied,&#8221; John Stott&#8217;s &#8220;The Cross of Christ,&#8221; Wayne Grudem&#8217;s &#8220;Systematic Theology,&#8221; J. I. Packer&#8217;s &#8220;Knowing God&#8221;, and Francis Schaeffer&#8217;s &#8220;How Should We Then Live?&#8221;</p>
<p>My point is that while they still push the evangeli-crap, they have come a long way in my book and I imagine they&#8217;ll get consistently better. Maybe eventually you&#8217;ll see some of those titles on their best seller rack, and then things might really start to turn around.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ballard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ballard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is delicious. You are my new best buddy in Christ. I don&#039;t have much traffic, but I blogged about your post this morning. 
Great stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is delicious. You are my new best buddy in Christ. I don&#8217;t have much traffic, but I blogged about your post this morning.<br />
Great stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Jaylynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaylynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can name one place where you&#039;d be pretty safe from Joyce Meyer:  the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod!  (In most congregations in the midwest, anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can name one place where you&#8217;d be pretty safe from Joyce Meyer:  the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod!  (In most congregations in the midwest, anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: Eric in New Haven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric in New Haven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been a long time since I have been in a Christian bookstore except to buy advent candles or browse the icons (obviously, those are Catholic bookstores, does that count?)  

I like most bookstores associated with Episcopal Churches I have been to--lots of L&#039;Engle and not as new agey as one might think.

When I used to live further south and occassionally went to Christian bookstores, I had a really hard time finding anything worthwhile.  I once bought a Colson book to take to China thinking I could share it with a Chinese seminary student I knew when I finished.  The book was okay, I guess, but it was completely culture-bound and would have made no sense to my friend.  I didn&#039;t give him the book.  

I was once asked to sign a petition at the register at a Christian bookstore (against the movie the Last Temptation of Christ).  I hadn&#039;t seen the movie, so I didn&#039;t see how I could sign--maybe I should have gone out to see it and then come back and sign the petition?  

I also note that I have never been asked to sign a petition in, say, a Discovery store.  You know, Star Wars is not scientifically accurate, maybe it should be banned?  Or Victoria&#039;s Secret could have customers sign petitions against movies that don&#039;t show enough skin?  Maybe I&#039;d sign that one...;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a long time since I have been in a Christian bookstore except to buy advent candles or browse the icons (obviously, those are Catholic bookstores, does that count?)  </p>
<p>I like most bookstores associated with Episcopal Churches I have been to&#8211;lots of L&#8217;Engle and not as new agey as one might think.</p>
<p>When I used to live further south and occassionally went to Christian bookstores, I had a really hard time finding anything worthwhile.  I once bought a Colson book to take to China thinking I could share it with a Chinese seminary student I knew when I finished.  The book was okay, I guess, but it was completely culture-bound and would have made no sense to my friend.  I didn&#8217;t give him the book.  </p>
<p>I was once asked to sign a petition at the register at a Christian bookstore (against the movie the Last Temptation of Christ).  I hadn&#8217;t seen the movie, so I didn&#8217;t see how I could sign&#8211;maybe I should have gone out to see it and then come back and sign the petition?  </p>
<p>I also note that I have never been asked to sign a petition in, say, a Discovery store.  You know, Star Wars is not scientifically accurate, maybe it should be banned?  Or Victoria&#8217;s Secret could have customers sign petitions against movies that don&#8217;t show enough skin?  Maybe I&#8217;d sign that one&#8230;;)</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally! Someone else in the Christian world &quot;gets it!&quot; My friends and I avoid bookstores that sell &quot;Christian&quot; books like some would aviod the plauge. I am under the impression, as it seems you are, that there are a lot of people selling self-help books rather than books that point back to the greatness and sovereigntyof God. 

Thank you for taking the time to share your opinions with us, maybe someday, somehow, Christian book stores will be full of Bibles, gospel centered books and Christ-exhaulting music-until then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally! Someone else in the Christian world &#8220;gets it!&#8221; My friends and I avoid bookstores that sell &#8220;Christian&#8221; books like some would aviod the plauge. I am under the impression, as it seems you are, that there are a lot of people selling self-help books rather than books that point back to the greatness and sovereigntyof God. </p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time to share your opinions with us, maybe someday, somehow, Christian book stores will be full of Bibles, gospel centered books and Christ-exhaulting music-until then&#8230;</p>
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