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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: caucazhin</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/fifteen-random-thoughts-about-the-economic-crisis/comment-page-2#comment-381113</link>
		<dc:creator>caucazhin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im still not quite awake....Correction...
&quot;They honor Me with their lips but their hearts are far from me&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im still not quite awake&#8230;.Correction&#8230;<br />
&#8220;They honor Me with their lips but their hearts are far from me&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: caucazhin</title>
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		<dc:creator>caucazhin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry &quot;they honor Me&quot; not Him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8220;they honor Me&#8221; not Him</p>
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		<title>By: caucazhin</title>
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		<dc:creator>caucazhin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its pretty obvious God is knocking over Americas golden calf the way Moses did the Israelites calf in the desert.We are no different than the Israelites were because fallen human nature hasnt changed a bit and there is nothing new under the sun.
&quot;They honor Him with our lips but their hearts are far from me&quot;

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0oGkii2LqRJ.UoAMnNXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&amp;p=wall%20street%20bull&amp;fr2=tab-web&amp;fr=yfp-t-501</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its pretty obvious God is knocking over Americas golden calf the way Moses did the Israelites calf in the desert.We are no different than the Israelites were because fallen human nature hasnt changed a bit and there is nothing new under the sun.<br />
&#8220;They honor Him with our lips but their hearts are far from me&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0oGkii2LqRJ.UoAMnNXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&amp;p=wall%20street%20bull&amp;fr2=tab-web&amp;fr=yfp-t-501" rel="nofollow">http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0oGkii2LqRJ.UoAMnNXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&amp;p=wall%20street%20bull&amp;fr2=tab-web&amp;fr=yfp-t-501</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zoomie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoomie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: BBC...  What we see of the BBC on US television and hear syndicated on the radio is rather different than what the typical Brit sees and hears on BBC domestic news.  While the presentation is almost always a bit more linguistically polished and tends to go more in depth, there is a clear disdain for things conservative and in particular, things conservative and American.  Whether this stems from neo-class-consciousness or just a sneering superiority complex vis-a-vis the &quot;colonials,&quot; the end result is that much of the British populace views Americans (save for the American leftists who they have a fuzzy love for) as a mass of uneducated rednecks clinging to their guns and God.  BBC is hardly the scion of objectivity that those of us who grew up with World Service on shortwave radio and Alistair Cook were enamored with.  We&#039;re all the poorer for it.

Zoomie (who lived in the UK from 2003-2008)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: BBC&#8230;  What we see of the BBC on US television and hear syndicated on the radio is rather different than what the typical Brit sees and hears on BBC domestic news.  While the presentation is almost always a bit more linguistically polished and tends to go more in depth, there is a clear disdain for things conservative and in particular, things conservative and American.  Whether this stems from neo-class-consciousness or just a sneering superiority complex vis-a-vis the &#8220;colonials,&#8221; the end result is that much of the British populace views Americans (save for the American leftists who they have a fuzzy love for) as a mass of uneducated rednecks clinging to their guns and God.  BBC is hardly the scion of objectivity that those of us who grew up with World Service on shortwave radio and Alistair Cook were enamored with.  We&#8217;re all the poorer for it.</p>
<p>Zoomie (who lived in the UK from 2003-2008)</p>
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		<title>By: graceshaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>graceshaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it could be the doormat to an awakening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it could be the doormat to an awakening.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Fox, MSNBC, CNN — they’re all to a point where avoiding them is probably a good thing. Panic and controversy sells, be it a market crash or an escaped monkey.&lt;/i&gt; -- Justin V

If you want capital-P PANIC, try Art Bell (or whoever&#039;s hosting his show these days) sometime...  I can&#039;t tell the difference these days between Art Bell, Hal Lindsay, or &lt;i&gt;South Park&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;K. W. -- Your comments about the church people saying, “I’ll pray for you” and yet do nothing, brings back memories.&lt;/i&gt; -- Anna A

Same here.  &quot;I&#039;ll Pray For You (TM)&quot; is just a Christianese excuse for doing nothing and sounding oh-so-pious about doing nothing.

These days, whenever somebody uses the &quot;I&#039;ll Pray for You&quot; line on me, I come back with a line from &lt;i&gt;Babylon-5&lt;/i&gt;:  &quot;We too have a saying.  PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;Well, I work with a lot of conservative Christians and they talk about Fox endlessly. ...  The whole idea of building a loyal audience through apocalyptic reporting just doesn’t seem to be on the map.&lt;/i&gt; -- IMonk

Well, &quot;building a loyal audience through apocalyptic reporting&quot; WORKS.  And it really works with Evangelical Christians.  Just check a lot of Christian &quot;Rapture Ready&quot; media for a non-MSM example.

Too many Christians are &quot;living just this side of &lt;i&gt;Left Behind&lt;/i&gt; and find it all Very Exciting.&quot;  Christ got thrown under the Grinning Apocalyptic bus (and the YEC bus, and the Culture War bus) a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Fox, MSNBC, CNN — they’re all to a point where avoiding them is probably a good thing. Panic and controversy sells, be it a market crash or an escaped monkey.</i> &#8212; Justin V</p>
<p>If you want capital-P PANIC, try Art Bell (or whoever&#8217;s hosting his show these days) sometime&#8230;  I can&#8217;t tell the difference these days between Art Bell, Hal Lindsay, or <i>South Park</i>.</p>
<p><i>K. W. &#8212; Your comments about the church people saying, “I’ll pray for you” and yet do nothing, brings back memories.</i> &#8212; Anna A</p>
<p>Same here.  &#8220;I&#8217;ll Pray For You (TM)&#8221; is just a Christianese excuse for doing nothing and sounding oh-so-pious about doing nothing.</p>
<p>These days, whenever somebody uses the &#8220;I&#8217;ll Pray for You&#8221; line on me, I come back with a line from <i>Babylon-5</i>:  &#8220;We too have a saying.  PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>Well, I work with a lot of conservative Christians and they talk about Fox endlessly. &#8230;  The whole idea of building a loyal audience through apocalyptic reporting just doesn’t seem to be on the map.</i> &#8212; IMonk</p>
<p>Well, &#8220;building a loyal audience through apocalyptic reporting&#8221; WORKS.  And it really works with Evangelical Christians.  Just check a lot of Christian &#8220;Rapture Ready&#8221; media for a non-MSM example.</p>
<p>Too many Christians are &#8220;living just this side of <i>Left Behind</i> and find it all Very Exciting.&#8221;  Christ got thrown under the Grinning Apocalyptic bus (and the YEC bus, and the Culture War bus) a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Ky boy but not now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ky boy but not now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shayne
&quot;Most points, I don’t agree with - either, the context or degree - the point which is the saddest, is point 6.
Many, many, hundreds of millions will suffer. ...&quot;

Agreed. But the US in particular and Western &quot;powers&quot; in general have been on a 50 year economic bender. Spending more than we produce. And the longer we take (took maybe) to stop it the worse the pain will be. It had to stop or the pain would get totally out of hand.

I liken it to diabetics who avoid seeing the doctor over foot infections due to poor circulation and wind up loosing their foot, leg, or life eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shayne<br />
&#8220;Most points, I don’t agree with &#8211; either, the context or degree &#8211; the point which is the saddest, is point 6.<br />
Many, many, hundreds of millions will suffer. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed. But the US in particular and Western &#8220;powers&#8221; in general have been on a 50 year economic bender. Spending more than we produce. And the longer we take (took maybe) to stop it the worse the pain will be. It had to stop or the pain would get totally out of hand.</p>
<p>I liken it to diabetics who avoid seeing the doctor over foot infections due to poor circulation and wind up loosing their foot, leg, or life eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a great example of elite cluelessness vs. the Dave Ramsey rooted rationality -- http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/business/worldbusiness/22japan.html

Apparently if we don&#039;t all get back to consuming radically, we&#039;re the problem.  I&#039;d feel gleefully sarcastic about this if it weren&#039;t for the fact that i suspect the folks writing stuff like this know just enough of what they&#039;re talking about to mean that we are going to have a long, hard, tough slog through this economic &quot;adjustment,&quot; because we simply can&#039;t go back to what we&#039;ve been doing . . . which is mainly what i hear Michael saying here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a great example of elite cluelessness vs. the Dave Ramsey rooted rationality &#8212; <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/business/worldbusiness/22japan.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/business/worldbusiness/22japan.html</a></p>
<p>Apparently if we don&#8217;t all get back to consuming radically, we&#8217;re the problem.  I&#8217;d feel gleefully sarcastic about this if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that i suspect the folks writing stuff like this know just enough of what they&#8217;re talking about to mean that we are going to have a long, hard, tough slog through this economic &#8220;adjustment,&#8221; because we simply can&#8217;t go back to what we&#8217;ve been doing . . . which is mainly what i hear Michael saying here.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best side effects of this entire national frenzy would be if Christians simply stopped watching TV. All of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best side effects of this entire national frenzy would be if Christians simply stopped watching TV. All of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Obed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on a few months of unexpected good financial times right before the financial crisis hit my industry in earnest, I managed to pay off both my credit cards last year.  I hadn&#039;t expected to.  I hadn&#039;t planned to.  But it just seemed like the right thing to do at the time.  I tell ya, rarely a week goes by now that I don&#039;t thank God I was able to do that.  Not having two extra bills is nice, but what&#039;s really nice is not having that particular burden of debt hanging over my head.  I mean, the monthly change in my budget isn&#039;t signficant, what with making less money than I was a year ago and all.  But the peace of mind is so good.  And I really do think that was God watching out for me.  Like I said, I hadn&#039;t planned to pay &#039;em off then.  I just ran the numbers one day after a paycheck and realized I could, so I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on a few months of unexpected good financial times right before the financial crisis hit my industry in earnest, I managed to pay off both my credit cards last year.  I hadn&#8217;t expected to.  I hadn&#8217;t planned to.  But it just seemed like the right thing to do at the time.  I tell ya, rarely a week goes by now that I don&#8217;t thank God I was able to do that.  Not having two extra bills is nice, but what&#8217;s really nice is not having that particular burden of debt hanging over my head.  I mean, the monthly change in my budget isn&#8217;t signficant, what with making less money than I was a year ago and all.  But the peace of mind is so good.  And I really do think that was God watching out for me.  Like I said, I hadn&#8217;t planned to pay &#8216;em off then.  I just ran the numbers one day after a paycheck and realized I could, so I did.</p>
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