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	<title>Comments on: Evangelical Ecumenism and A Jesus Shaped Guest List</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Sookie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is the Jesus you are following calling you into ecumenical relationships with other Christians? Not evangelistic relationships, but fellowship around a shared Christ, even if not a shared table?&quot;

So refreshing.  I had close friends who completely separated themselves from my husband and I because we became Lutheran.  My friend&#039;s mother commented to her that it would be good for her to now have an ecumenical (ie not of the same denomination) friendship with us. They explained to us that their first obligation was now to their church and not to us. We went from A-list friends to a very low ranking consideration (if at all).  It has always saddened me that our bond in Christ wasn&#039;t enough to sustain this friendship.  Apparently, gluteal promiximity on Sunday mornings is a much higher determining factor.
We all obviously have disagreements on theological matters – it’s why we all attend different churches every Sunday.  But when we answer the question &quot;Who is our neighbor?&quot;, we are not secluded little church &quot;islands&quot;.  There are believers in many places and from all walks of life.  And even without total agreement, I can open my home, share my table and rejoice in Christ with those of different denominations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is the Jesus you are following calling you into ecumenical relationships with other Christians? Not evangelistic relationships, but fellowship around a shared Christ, even if not a shared table?&#8221;</p>
<p>So refreshing.  I had close friends who completely separated themselves from my husband and I because we became Lutheran.  My friend&#8217;s mother commented to her that it would be good for her to now have an ecumenical (ie not of the same denomination) friendship with us. They explained to us that their first obligation was now to their church and not to us. We went from A-list friends to a very low ranking consideration (if at all).  It has always saddened me that our bond in Christ wasn&#8217;t enough to sustain this friendship.  Apparently, gluteal promiximity on Sunday mornings is a much higher determining factor.<br />
We all obviously have disagreements on theological matters – it’s why we all attend different churches every Sunday.  But when we answer the question &#8220;Who is our neighbor?&#8221;, we are not secluded little church &#8220;islands&#8221;.  There are believers in many places and from all walks of life.  And even without total agreement, I can open my home, share my table and rejoice in Christ with those of different denominations.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iMonk, this has been an interesting read.  Reading this post and the Bryan Cross interview got me thinking about Christian unity.

I&#039;ve decided to post some of those thoughts on &lt;a href=&quot;http://faithdoubtandreason.blogspot.com/2009/11/disunity-and-church.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my blog&lt;/a&gt;.  Check it out if you&#039;ve got the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iMonk, this has been an interesting read.  Reading this post and the Bryan Cross interview got me thinking about Christian unity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve decided to post some of those thoughts on <a href="http://faithdoubtandreason.blogspot.com/2009/11/disunity-and-church.html" rel="nofollow">my blog</a>.  Check it out if you&#8217;ve got the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you assassinate folks like him, you’re left with a very small collection of apologists.&lt;/i&gt;

As in a Larry, Moe, and Curly collection:

Larry cites Moe as a source.
Moe cites Curly as a source.
Curly cites Larry as a source.
Woop Woop Woop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you assassinate folks like him, you’re left with a very small collection of apologists.</i></p>
<p>As in a Larry, Moe, and Curly collection:</p>
<p>Larry cites Moe as a source.<br />
Moe cites Curly as a source.<br />
Curly cites Larry as a source.<br />
Woop Woop Woop!</p>
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		<title>By: charlie.hr</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie.hr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard the same joke, but with baptist evangelical instead of a Jew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard the same joke, but with baptist evangelical instead of a Jew.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie.hr</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie.hr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically because I&#039;m a nontrinitarian I&#039;m not christian? says who?

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I believe Jesus is God himself, I don&#039;t deny his full divinity and humanity. But I have a really hard time accepting the Trinitarian dogma.

I&#039;ve been a Christian for almost 25 years, used to be a Baptist for almost 17 of those years. I&#039;ve done my homework (study and research) and the best (honest and humble) conclusion that I&#039;ve reach concerning the nature of God is.... I don&#039;t know.

I’ve been wrestling with this issue for so long that I came to a point where I was missing the obvious for the sake of trying to unravel the mystery that has bugged the church for her entire history. And the obvious is that whatever is NECESSARY for the salvation of man and his relationship with God, has already been revealed in a clear, simple and sound way. Whatever needs a Ph.D. degree to be comprehended and more than a few simple explanations, it’s definitely not worthy and goes beyond the gospel.

Most people think that this is a closed issue that was resolved around the 4th century and that nothing more has to be said about it. Nothing can be far from the truth! The reality is that in the entire history of the church we can find that this is a constant point of disagreement. This issue is so old that for most people have become a “come on, let it be!” (mystery?) thing. 

The only part of trinitarian dogma that I can agree with is the &quot;mystery&quot; part. Is that enough to get saved?

Peace &amp; Love</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically because I&#8217;m a nontrinitarian I&#8217;m not christian? says who?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I believe Jesus is God himself, I don&#8217;t deny his full divinity and humanity. But I have a really hard time accepting the Trinitarian dogma.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a Christian for almost 25 years, used to be a Baptist for almost 17 of those years. I&#8217;ve done my homework (study and research) and the best (honest and humble) conclusion that I&#8217;ve reach concerning the nature of God is&#8230;. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>I’ve been wrestling with this issue for so long that I came to a point where I was missing the obvious for the sake of trying to unravel the mystery that has bugged the church for her entire history. And the obvious is that whatever is NECESSARY for the salvation of man and his relationship with God, has already been revealed in a clear, simple and sound way. Whatever needs a Ph.D. degree to be comprehended and more than a few simple explanations, it’s definitely not worthy and goes beyond the gospel.</p>
<p>Most people think that this is a closed issue that was resolved around the 4th century and that nothing more has to be said about it. Nothing can be far from the truth! The reality is that in the entire history of the church we can find that this is a constant point of disagreement. This issue is so old that for most people have become a “come on, let it be!” (mystery?) thing. </p>
<p>The only part of trinitarian dogma that I can agree with is the &#8220;mystery&#8221; part. Is that enough to get saved?</p>
<p>Peace &amp; Love</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, iMonk. Your post was a refreshing read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, iMonk. Your post was a refreshing read.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think it is always important to seperate RC official church teachings etc. with actual RC’s.&quot;

Thanks for that..?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it is always important to seperate RC official church teachings etc. with actual RC’s.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for that..?</p>
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		<title>By: charlie.hr</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie.hr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Point!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Point!!!</p>
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		<title>By: charlie.hr</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie.hr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is ssoooooo right and sssooooooo  confusing!!!!

I&#039;m not gonna go in detail to explain why, but the way I see it is naive to say that catholics are not christians because their core beliefs are faulty (we can endlessly argue about this), BUT is naive to say that evangelicals (or protestants in general) are in the biblical safe zone just because all the &quot;solas&quot; (don&#039;t forget the nicene is tradition, not scripture). On top of that, to say that every single &quot;religious christian&quot; (evangelicals included) that fill the pews of the churches on any given sunday is a child of God....  mmmm  we better think twice. What I don&#039;t like is when we comment in a very generalized way (catholics are not, evangelicals are).

For me is something that goes way beyond the religious establishment to the real interest of God and his Messiah Jesus... People! People! People!

People of all nations and every tongue will confess Jesus is Lord; this means also in every culture AND (believe it or not) EVERY RELIGION. The way I see it, Jesus doesn&#039;t need to wait for christendom, to put our ecumenist act together  and come to a balancing point were we can all agree or be comfortable within and with all christian traditions. I&#039;m definitely not talking of a religious ecumenism but of the spiritual union of those who Christ chose as his own and &quot;called out&quot; to be his church. (He said: I will build my church).

According to Matthew 7 the day of the Lord will be full of surprises. There will be the ones who will say: Lord, Lord in your name we did this and that.... (could he be possibly talking about our religious performance?)

I think it&#039;s time that we, who call ourselves christians, learn to look beyond our religious garments and try to find Jesus Christ living his life within people... in spite of their religious traditions and system of theology.

Peace and Love.

Hope this wont be MOD out. Hate to be &quot;that guy&quot; again! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is ssoooooo right and sssooooooo  confusing!!!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not gonna go in detail to explain why, but the way I see it is naive to say that catholics are not christians because their core beliefs are faulty (we can endlessly argue about this), BUT is naive to say that evangelicals (or protestants in general) are in the biblical safe zone just because all the &#8220;solas&#8221; (don&#8217;t forget the nicene is tradition, not scripture). On top of that, to say that every single &#8220;religious christian&#8221; (evangelicals included) that fill the pews of the churches on any given sunday is a child of God&#8230;.  mmmm  we better think twice. What I don&#8217;t like is when we comment in a very generalized way (catholics are not, evangelicals are).</p>
<p>For me is something that goes way beyond the religious establishment to the real interest of God and his Messiah Jesus&#8230; People! People! People!</p>
<p>People of all nations and every tongue will confess Jesus is Lord; this means also in every culture AND (believe it or not) EVERY RELIGION. The way I see it, Jesus doesn&#8217;t need to wait for christendom, to put our ecumenist act together  and come to a balancing point were we can all agree or be comfortable within and with all christian traditions. I&#8217;m definitely not talking of a religious ecumenism but of the spiritual union of those who Christ chose as his own and &#8220;called out&#8221; to be his church. (He said: I will build my church).</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Matthew+7" class="bibleref" title="ESV Matthew 7">Matthew 7</a> the day of the Lord will be full of surprises. There will be the ones who will say: Lord, Lord in your name we did this and that&#8230;. (could he be possibly talking about our religious performance?)</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s time that we, who call ourselves christians, learn to look beyond our religious garments and try to find Jesus Christ living his life within people&#8230; in spite of their religious traditions and system of theology.</p>
<p>Peace and Love.</p>
<p>Hope this wont be MOD out. Hate to be &#8220;that guy&#8221; again! <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sam Urfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Urfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...and me and my cousin against the stranger.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;and me and my cousin against the stranger.&#8221;</p>
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