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	<title>Comments on: Evangelical Anxieties 4: Does God’s Judgment Make Christianity a Religion of Fear?</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Sutherland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be interested in this website http://www.bookofjob.org for a different perspective on Job&#039;s so-called repentance.  It is an entirely online commentary on the Book of Job highly praised by Job scholars (Clines, Habel, Janzen, Crenshaw, Good) and the Review of Biblical Literature.  Their reviews are accessible by a red button on the left hand column of the website.

Robert Sutherland
sutherlandrobert@telus.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in this website <a href="http://www.bookofjob.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookofjob.org</a> for a different perspective on Job&#8217;s so-called repentance.  It is an entirely online commentary on the Book of Job highly praised by Job scholars (Clines, Habel, Janzen, Crenshaw, Good) and the Review of Biblical Literature.  Their reviews are accessible by a red button on the left hand column of the website.</p>
<p>Robert Sutherland<br />
<a href="mailto:sutherlandrobert@telus.net">sutherlandrobert@telus.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Sparks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for that article Michael.  I have a very close friend who is struggling with just such issues.  I will forward your article on to him today.  He will be blessed!

In Paul&#039;s discussion of ultimate judgments, as relate to believers, he writes:

1Co 3:11  For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 
1Co 3:12  Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw-- 
1Co 3:13  each one&#039;s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 
1Co 3:14  If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 
1Co 3:15  If anyone&#039;s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. 

Verse 15 should be a great comfort to each of us, and help dispel the false notions of God&#039;s judgments.

We will be judged, and things done outside the control and leading of the Spirit will be manifest in that judgment, but those things, rather than us, will be judged and consumed in the fires of His love.  It is His love that will consume those things so we don&#039;t have to carry them around in our hearts for all eternity.

If we could grasp such grace in this life, and allow the Spirit within us to judge and then consume those things now, then in this life we can know the freedom from the anxiety of our sin, and be all the more prepared for the next life.

Paul&#039;s words have always brought me great comfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that article Michael.  I have a very close friend who is struggling with just such issues.  I will forward your article on to him today.  He will be blessed!</p>
<p>In Paul&#8217;s discussion of ultimate judgments, as relate to believers, he writes:</p>
<p>1Co 3:11  For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.<br />
1Co 3:12  Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw&#8211;<br />
1Co 3:13  each one&#8217;s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.<br />
1Co 3:14  If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.<br />
1Co 3:15  If anyone&#8217;s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. </p>
<p>Verse 15 should be a great comfort to each of us, and help dispel the false notions of God&#8217;s judgments.</p>
<p>We will be judged, and things done outside the control and leading of the Spirit will be manifest in that judgment, but those things, rather than us, will be judged and consumed in the fires of His love.  It is His love that will consume those things so we don&#8217;t have to carry them around in our hearts for all eternity.</p>
<p>If we could grasp such grace in this life, and allow the Spirit within us to judge and then consume those things now, then in this life we can know the freedom from the anxiety of our sin, and be all the more prepared for the next life.</p>
<p>Paul&#8217;s words have always brought me great comfort.</p>
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		<title>By: jeuby</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeuby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all i could say while reading this was . . .

yep, yeah, been there, done that, said that, thought that, taught someone else that.

you hit the nail on the head. i sadly recall a few times in a fundamentalist bible school that a few friends of mine were suffering from sever injury or sickness. the school&#039;s answer was that they had sin in their lives . . . sigh.

sadly i also recall one summer being a counselor at high school church camp and reading the small groups lesson material. the only thing lacking was a big stamp from the republican party saying that they supported this lesson material. it made a few claims saying that God&#039;s judgement was evident in the success of the democratic party in the moral issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.)

i&#039;m still looking for the proof text on where the israel of the OT is now the america of today. let me know when u find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all i could say while reading this was . . .</p>
<p>yep, yeah, been there, done that, said that, thought that, taught someone else that.</p>
<p>you hit the nail on the head. i sadly recall a few times in a fundamentalist bible school that a few friends of mine were suffering from sever injury or sickness. the school&#8217;s answer was that they had sin in their lives . . . sigh.</p>
<p>sadly i also recall one summer being a counselor at high school church camp and reading the small groups lesson material. the only thing lacking was a big stamp from the republican party saying that they supported this lesson material. it made a few claims saying that God&#8217;s judgement was evident in the success of the democratic party in the moral issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.)</p>
<p>i&#8217;m still looking for the proof text on where the israel of the OT is now the america of today. let me know when u find it.</p>
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		<title>By: mattdabbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattdabbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is everything that happens here the will of God/caused by God? I don&#039;t think so. There is a place called heaven where that happens. I really think there is a fear/grace paradigm shift that many churches are needing. When we hold tightly to fear, we micromanage, and try to &quot;get it all right.&quot; I think we need a better balance between fear and grace. I just posted on that on my other blog

mattdabbs.blogspot.com

God bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is everything that happens here the will of God/caused by God? I don&#8217;t think so. There is a place called heaven where that happens. I really think there is a fear/grace paradigm shift that many churches are needing. When we hold tightly to fear, we micromanage, and try to &#8220;get it all right.&#8221; I think we need a better balance between fear and grace. I just posted on that on my other blog</p>
<p>mattdabbs.blogspot.com</p>
<p>God bless</p>
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		<title>By: K.W. Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.W. Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Job is awesome. I frequently point out to people how Job&#039;s friends like to present all the very same clichés we still use for why bad things happen to good people. We still use all the same excuses.

I fear the lack of understanding about judgment largely comes from the lack of reading the Old Testament. In the Psalms particularly, there&#039;s this sense of looking &lt;i&gt;forward&lt;/i&gt; to judgment, because since we are on God&#039;s side, God will judge our enemies. We blame God when it makes more sense to recognize our suffering is caused by our enemies (whether they be sin, nature, circumstances, our fallen world, evil humans, the devil and his angels, or what&#039;s left of our own sin nature) and ask God to take up our cause as the plaintiffs in God&#039;s judgment. We are not defendants; God has already declared us righteous and forgiven.

If we look at the New Testament passages on judgment through this lens, the all-too-common fear of judgment that you&#039;re talking about makes much less sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Job is awesome. I frequently point out to people how Job&#8217;s friends like to present all the very same clichés we still use for why bad things happen to good people. We still use all the same excuses.</p>
<p>I fear the lack of understanding about judgment largely comes from the lack of reading the Old Testament. In the Psalms particularly, there&#8217;s this sense of looking <i>forward</i> to judgment, because since we are on God&#8217;s side, God will judge our enemies. We blame God when it makes more sense to recognize our suffering is caused by our enemies (whether they be sin, nature, circumstances, our fallen world, evil humans, the devil and his angels, or what&#8217;s left of our own sin nature) and ask God to take up our cause as the plaintiffs in God&#8217;s judgment. We are not defendants; God has already declared us righteous and forgiven.</p>
<p>If we look at the New Testament passages on judgment through this lens, the all-too-common fear of judgment that you&#8217;re talking about makes much less sense.</p>
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