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	<title>Comments on: Driscoll Reruns</title>
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		<title>By: matty j</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/driscoll-reruns/comment-page-1#comment-7860</link>
		<dc:creator>matty j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, this is a bit late, but I&#039;ve got a very different reason Mark bothers me--he&#039;s misogynistic. I was a freshman at the UW in 1995, and I went to some of the first ever Mars Hill gatherings. I also went to an apologetics class they offered. At 26 he was the largely same preacher he is now, and I was (and am) impressed by his commitment to Scripture, his ability to communicate, and many of the other things you articulated in January. But it seems like every time I listen to Mark he has to be demeaning toward women of all kinds and men who don&#039;t act like the &quot;macho-Jesus who could take you&quot; that Mark dreams into the gospels. Comments like his make many women feel trapped and ashamed for not fitting into his narrow role for women. It sounds like you&#039;ve heard him enough that I shouldn&#039;t need to provide examples. 

I&#039;m an egalitarian (who used to be complimentarian), so I have theological issues with Mark, but there are many in the complimentarian camp that articulate their position without being offensive, and who I can disagree with without being bothered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, this is a bit late, but I&#8217;ve got a very different reason Mark bothers me&#8211;he&#8217;s misogynistic. I was a freshman at the UW in 1995, and I went to some of the first ever Mars Hill gatherings. I also went to an apologetics class they offered. At 26 he was the largely same preacher he is now, and I was (and am) impressed by his commitment to Scripture, his ability to communicate, and many of the other things you articulated in January. But it seems like every time I listen to Mark he has to be demeaning toward women of all kinds and men who don&#8217;t act like the &#8220;macho-Jesus who could take you&#8221; that Mark dreams into the gospels. Comments like his make many women feel trapped and ashamed for not fitting into his narrow role for women. It sounds like you&#8217;ve heard him enough that I shouldn&#8217;t need to provide examples. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m an egalitarian (who used to be complimentarian), so I have theological issues with Mark, but there are many in the complimentarian camp that articulate their position without being offensive, and who I can disagree with without being bothered.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the quick work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the quick work</p>
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		<title>By: Two-Sheds Gomer</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/driscoll-reruns/comment-page-1#comment-7397</link>
		<dc:creator>Two-Sheds Gomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if I&#039;m an official member of &quot;the t-shirt crowd&quot;, but how&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://csaproductions.com/stash/imonk-tshirt.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; ?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if I&#8217;m an official member of &#8220;the t-shirt crowd&#8221;, but how&#8217;s <a href="http://csaproductions.com/stash/imonk-tshirt.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a> ?  <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bmelone</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/driscoll-reruns/comment-page-1#comment-7396</link>
		<dc:creator>bmelone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, good posts. But in the High Culture one you said (and i know the topic is driscoll, and don&#039;t mean to hijack the thread): 

&quot;When I answer this question–”The Bible doesn’t have anything to say about skin color as a factor in relationships”–I probably run the risk of some redneck dad coming to straighten me out, but so far, I’ve survived&quot;

John Piper has a great sermon on interracial marriage. He had a great point from the one passage where miriam is struck down with leprosy--part of the issue was her submission to Moses, but the text makes it clear that her objection to moses marrying a cushite (Ethiopian and Black) woman was an issue. Piper&#039;s translation of miriam&#039;s reaction was &quot;my god moses, she&#039;s black!&quot; &quot;okay Miriam, you like whiteness, I&#039;ll make you white&quot;. He really hit out against any opposition to interracial marriage (his point from Genesis and adam--we all have the same great great great grandfather, so get over it!)

I still hear bad things from the south about racism. Glad to hear you take the right stance, but I dare you to come out even stronger like Piper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, good posts. But in the High Culture one you said (and i know the topic is driscoll, and don&#8217;t mean to hijack the thread): </p>
<p>&#8220;When I answer this question–”The Bible doesn’t have anything to say about skin color as a factor in relationships”–I probably run the risk of some redneck dad coming to straighten me out, but so far, I’ve survived&#8221;</p>
<p>John Piper has a great sermon on interracial marriage. He had a great point from the one passage where miriam is struck down with leprosy&#8211;part of the issue was her submission to Moses, but the text makes it clear that her objection to moses marrying a cushite (Ethiopian and Black) woman was an issue. Piper&#8217;s translation of miriam&#8217;s reaction was &#8220;my god moses, she&#8217;s black!&#8221; &#8220;okay Miriam, you like whiteness, I&#8217;ll make you white&#8221;. He really hit out against any opposition to interracial marriage (his point from Genesis and adam&#8211;we all have the same great great great grandfather, so get over it!)</p>
<p>I still hear bad things from the south about racism. Glad to hear you take the right stance, but I dare you to come out even stronger like Piper.</p>
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		<title>By: centuri0n</title>
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		<dc:creator>centuri0n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We already have a &quot;baptism police&quot; t-shirt.  Are we not allowed to wear t-shirts?  Or are we not allowed to make jokes with our t-shirts when we are actually the butt of the joke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already have a &#8220;baptism police&#8221; t-shirt.  Are we not allowed to wear t-shirts?  Or are we not allowed to make jokes with our t-shirts when we are actually the butt of the joke?</p>
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