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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My (Reformed, Baptist, youngish) church has the same liturgy every week.  Different content but the same &quot;stuff&quot; -- and I love it.  I love knowing that every week I&#039;ll be reminded that God calls me to worship.  I&#039;ll have an opportunity to confess and repent, and to receive forgiveness.  I&#039;ll share the peace of Christ with those around me.  I&#039;ll take the bread and wine.  I&#039;ll be called to action.  I&#039;ll be blessed and &quot;sent out.&quot;

We also observe the church calendar, in a fairly loose form.  I do wish we&#039;d follow it more closely, but then again I&#039;m one of those weird Baptists who like to kneel and genuflect and stuff...

Our pastors generally preach though books of the Bible, not verse-by-verse necessarily.  Right now we&#039;re in the Leviticus portion of a year going through the Old Testament.  They&#039;ll also preach topically as occasion requires, but we have so many non-Sunday-morning teaching and discipleship opportunities that it&#039;s hardly ever necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My (Reformed, Baptist, youngish) church has the same liturgy every week.  Different content but the same &#8220;stuff&#8221; &#8212; and I love it.  I love knowing that every week I&#8217;ll be reminded that God calls me to worship.  I&#8217;ll have an opportunity to confess and repent, and to receive forgiveness.  I&#8217;ll share the peace of Christ with those around me.  I&#8217;ll take the bread and wine.  I&#8217;ll be called to action.  I&#8217;ll be blessed and &#8220;sent out.&#8221;</p>
<p>We also observe the church calendar, in a fairly loose form.  I do wish we&#8217;d follow it more closely, but then again I&#8217;m one of those weird Baptists who like to kneel and genuflect and stuff&#8230;</p>
<p>Our pastors generally preach though books of the Bible, not verse-by-verse necessarily.  Right now we&#8217;re in the Leviticus portion of a year going through the Old Testament.  They&#8217;ll also preach topically as occasion requires, but we have so many non-Sunday-morning teaching and discipleship opportunities that it&#8217;s hardly ever necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: wcwirla</title>
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		<dc:creator>wcwirla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But putting major Biblical themes into the calendar seems to be a good way to catechize.&quot;

That nicely summarizes the purpose of the liturgical calendar and the lectionary.  All the basic themes of Christianity in an annual cycle.  It&#039;s a great discipline.  As a preacher, I prefer to work with assigned texts rather than searching out the Scriptures for texts to prove my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But putting major Biblical themes into the calendar seems to be a good way to catechize.&#8221;</p>
<p>That nicely summarizes the purpose of the liturgical calendar and the lectionary.  All the basic themes of Christianity in an annual cycle.  It&#8217;s a great discipline.  As a preacher, I prefer to work with assigned texts rather than searching out the Scriptures for texts to prove my point.</p>
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		<title>By: The Guy from Knoxville</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Guy from Knoxville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Thanks much for this post - very, very insightful and yet another thought provoking post for me as my wife and
I are yet closer and closer to washing our hands of the SBC church we&#039;re at and, quite possibly, the entire thing as it is now.  As I&#039;ve stated before, my wife was raised church of Christ and the church she was at when we met did have a liturgy, albeit simple, yet the service was very much structured as to how it flowed.  They didn&#039;t follow the christian calender (taboo there as it is in many baptist churches) and sermons were usually topical series as best I remember at the time and no emphasis on any aspect of the calender other than singing (unaccompanied) Joy To The World near or
on Christmas.  You could pretty much count on the structure and flow of the service which always had communion in it to be consistant week to week. I know what I described is not liturgical in the sense that it&#039;s spoken of in the post and comments but I find I did
like (enjoy) the more structured approach that they had and the fact that communion was always a part of that - of course there were the usual theological/doctrinal issues but I could deal with that just to have the other and I consider it a good experience for me.  Can&#039;t say the SBC has been that favorable/good for my wife though - another time on that one!

We are not planning on going back to CoC but a good Anglican (AMiA) or perhaps a non-denom that follows
the christian calender - something more structured
seems the direction and everytime I&#039;m in that setting
there seems almost a confirmation that that&#039;s were we need to be.... at least for awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Thanks much for this post &#8211; very, very insightful and yet another thought provoking post for me as my wife and<br />
I are yet closer and closer to washing our hands of the SBC church we&#8217;re at and, quite possibly, the entire thing as it is now.  As I&#8217;ve stated before, my wife was raised church of Christ and the church she was at when we met did have a liturgy, albeit simple, yet the service was very much structured as to how it flowed.  They didn&#8217;t follow the christian calender (taboo there as it is in many baptist churches) and sermons were usually topical series as best I remember at the time and no emphasis on any aspect of the calender other than singing (unaccompanied) Joy To The World near or<br />
on Christmas.  You could pretty much count on the structure and flow of the service which always had communion in it to be consistant week to week. I know what I described is not liturgical in the sense that it&#8217;s spoken of in the post and comments but I find I did<br />
like (enjoy) the more structured approach that they had and the fact that communion was always a part of that &#8211; of course there were the usual theological/doctrinal issues but I could deal with that just to have the other and I consider it a good experience for me.  Can&#8217;t say the SBC has been that favorable/good for my wife though &#8211; another time on that one!</p>
<p>We are not planning on going back to CoC but a good Anglican (AMiA) or perhaps a non-denom that follows<br />
the christian calender &#8211; something more structured<br />
seems the direction and everytime I&#8217;m in that setting<br />
there seems almost a confirmation that that&#8217;s were we need to be&#8230;. at least for awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: willoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>willoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the titles of some of the days are a bit off-putting to me, as i come from a very fundie background.  You are right,  the substance is biblical, but the verbiage is foreign, With my group I would need to do stealth liturgical calender, even the word &quot;liturgical&quot; would be a controversy as many still rebel against anything that has the least bit of ritual. [ cut them a break, they are getting better as God heals]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the titles of some of the days are a bit off-putting to me, as i come from a very fundie background.  You are right,  the substance is biblical, but the verbiage is foreign, With my group I would need to do stealth liturgical calender, even the word &#8220;liturgical&#8221; would be a controversy as many still rebel against anything that has the least bit of ritual. [ cut them a break, they are getting better as God heals]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole liturgical calendar thing was totally foreign to me as well.  This past year, I have been working my way through the Easter and Christmas controversies and discovered the background that the liturgical calendar and readings were seemingly patterned after.  It turns out that the Jews had a liturgical calendar with its own readings as well.  I found a site that combined these readings with a selection of New Testament readings (the first 5 books of both OT and NT are covered each year) as well and have begun to use that this year.  We are using the reading schedule for our weekly Bible study and it has been a lot of fun and very enlightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole liturgical calendar thing was totally foreign to me as well.  This past year, I have been working my way through the Easter and Christmas controversies and discovered the background that the liturgical calendar and readings were seemingly patterned after.  It turns out that the Jews had a liturgical calendar with its own readings as well.  I found a site that combined these readings with a selection of New Testament readings (the first 5 books of both OT and NT are covered each year) as well and have begun to use that this year.  We are using the reading schedule for our weekly Bible study and it has been a lot of fun and very enlightening.</p>
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		<title>By: graceshaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>graceshaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arent the sun moon and stars a sort of heavenly liturgy? isnt that the whole point of seasons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arent the sun moon and stars a sort of heavenly liturgy? isnt that the whole point of seasons?</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For me, I was raised in a liturgical setting, got away from it for years, and then eventually returned to it having realized how much I missed the liturgy of my childhood.&lt;/i&gt; -- Obed

I was raised pretty much non-practicing, then got my head messed up by what was essentially an overgrown non-liturgical house church gone cultically-bad, then ended up being introduced to the liturgy through the indirect method of a fantasy novel.  And liked what I saw in the RCC Roman-rite Mass.  Bells and Smells, the rote prayers and responses instead of the total improv (which I am lousy at), and especially the structure of the liturgy and the liturgical year, the solid historical trace of 20 centuries of Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For me, I was raised in a liturgical setting, got away from it for years, and then eventually returned to it having realized how much I missed the liturgy of my childhood.</i> &#8212; Obed</p>
<p>I was raised pretty much non-practicing, then got my head messed up by what was essentially an overgrown non-liturgical house church gone cultically-bad, then ended up being introduced to the liturgy through the indirect method of a fantasy novel.  And liked what I saw in the RCC Roman-rite Mass.  Bells and Smells, the rote prayers and responses instead of the total improv (which I am lousy at), and especially the structure of the liturgy and the liturgical year, the solid historical trace of 20 centuries of Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Ernesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George C - Both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics say that St. Paul is referring to more than just liturgical tradition. In the various passages in which St. Paul deals with both &quot;tradition&quot; and the &quot;traditions of men,&quot; he deals with issues as varied as festivals, liturgy, foods, etc. That is why the Ecumenical Councils, even when dealing with eminently practical matters, not related to liturgy, insist that what they are declaring is in accord with what they have received from the Fathers. All of us receive from the Fathers not only orthodoxy but also orthopraxy.

Both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics use more than one liturgy. The most common Roman liturgy is the Latin Rite. However, the Mozarabic Liturgy is still celebrated in the Cathedral in Toledo, Spain. Venice has its own special liturgy. Some of the different Roman orders (Benedictines, etc.) have their own allowed variations.

The most common Orthodox liturgies are the St. John Chrysostom and the St. Basil. But, which liturgy you use at what particular time is not up to the individual decision of a priest. Having said that, both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics have &quot;options&quot; within their liturgies that do allow for some small variety. At bottom, however, all liturgies have the same backbone (outline). The argument is that this backbone, along with some details, is what we have received from the Fathers, through Scripture and Tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George C &#8211; Both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics say that St. Paul is referring to more than just liturgical tradition. In the various passages in which St. Paul deals with both &#8220;tradition&#8221; and the &#8220;traditions of men,&#8221; he deals with issues as varied as festivals, liturgy, foods, etc. That is why the Ecumenical Councils, even when dealing with eminently practical matters, not related to liturgy, insist that what they are declaring is in accord with what they have received from the Fathers. All of us receive from the Fathers not only orthodoxy but also orthopraxy.</p>
<p>Both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics use more than one liturgy. The most common Roman liturgy is the Latin Rite. However, the Mozarabic Liturgy is still celebrated in the Cathedral in Toledo, Spain. Venice has its own special liturgy. Some of the different Roman orders (Benedictines, etc.) have their own allowed variations.</p>
<p>The most common Orthodox liturgies are the St. John Chrysostom and the St. Basil. But, which liturgy you use at what particular time is not up to the individual decision of a priest. Having said that, both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics have &#8220;options&#8221; within their liturgies that do allow for some small variety. At bottom, however, all liturgies have the same backbone (outline). The argument is that this backbone, along with some details, is what we have received from the Fathers, through Scripture and Tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: ChooseyBeggar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChooseyBeggar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really gung ho about the pastor at a church I attended. One day I was kept in because of a task that needed to be done, instead of attending the early service.  While I was waiting, I noticed the denomination on TV and watched. it turned out that the work was cancelled and I went to the later service. My pastor gave the same sermon flawlessly, almost word. for. word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really gung ho about the pastor at a church I attended. One day I was kept in because of a task that needed to be done, instead of attending the early service.  While I was waiting, I noticed the denomination on TV and watched. it turned out that the work was cancelled and I went to the later service. My pastor gave the same sermon flawlessly, almost word. for. word.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the extra-biblical stuff in the basic calendar? Christmas and Easter are &quot;extra biblical,&quot; but they are celebrations of major Biblical emphases. Same with Advent and Lent. No seasons defined. I agree. But putting major Biblical themes into the calendar seems to be a good way to catechize. I mean, we all live by some kind of calendar. Why shouldn&#039;t Christians use the events of the Biblical story to mark time?

I would join you in rejecting the whole thing as done in the RCC, but the basic calendar seems to have few negatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the extra-biblical stuff in the basic calendar? Christmas and Easter are &#8220;extra biblical,&#8221; but they are celebrations of major Biblical emphases. Same with Advent and Lent. No seasons defined. I agree. But putting major Biblical themes into the calendar seems to be a good way to catechize. I mean, we all live by some kind of calendar. Why shouldn&#8217;t Christians use the events of the Biblical story to mark time?</p>
<p>I would join you in rejecting the whole thing as done in the RCC, but the basic calendar seems to have few negatives.</p>
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