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	<title>Comments on: David Hayward, &#8220;The Naked Pastor:&#8221; The IM Interview</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/david-hayward-the-naked-pastor-the-im-interview/comment-page-1#comment-328413</link>
		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Just watch the movie Fargo!!!!!!!!&lt;/i&gt;

Or &lt;i&gt;Escanaba in da Moonlight&lt;/i&gt;.

Or get your hands on some CDs by Da Yoopers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Just watch the movie Fargo!!!!!!!!</i></p>
<p>Or <i>Escanaba in da Moonlight</i>.</p>
<p>Or get your hands on some CDs by Da Yoopers.</p>
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		<title>By: treebeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>treebeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could I post a follow-up question for Dave (and Mike and commenters)?

I really appreciated the answer about artistic expression in the church. That was such a breath of fresh air. 

But how do you deal with the mentality that music, the arts, etc., are a form of &quot;soulish expression,&quot; and therefore somewhat dangerous? I used to buy into that, but I don&#039;t anymore. Yet I have come across that perspective numerous times among Christians. There&#039;s almost a fear that expressing oneself in music, visual arts, etc. will lead to a quenching of the Spirit, because the ego is uplifted.

One reason I used to believe this was because of the many musicians and artists that I know, including family members. If they become professional, they tend to become very arrogant and eccentric people, and are often cold to the things of God while &quot;alive&quot; to everything else. All they care about is self-expression, which in turn leads to self-absorption. When I was in college, many of the the students at the arts and music schools were very immoral, and unashamed about it.

So as a Christian, what is the balance between appreciating and even expressing artistic gifts, and avoiding the extremes of egotism? Especially, how is this done in the church, where we die to self and live to God? I know it&#039;s not just a choice between asceticism and hedonism, but I haven&#039;t found many Christians with a healthy perspective on artistic gifts.

Now I&#039;m going to go listen to Bach. &quot;Wachet auf,&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could I post a follow-up question for Dave (and Mike and commenters)?</p>
<p>I really appreciated the answer about artistic expression in the church. That was such a breath of fresh air. </p>
<p>But how do you deal with the mentality that music, the arts, etc., are a form of &#8220;soulish expression,&#8221; and therefore somewhat dangerous? I used to buy into that, but I don&#8217;t anymore. Yet I have come across that perspective numerous times among Christians. There&#8217;s almost a fear that expressing oneself in music, visual arts, etc. will lead to a quenching of the Spirit, because the ego is uplifted.</p>
<p>One reason I used to believe this was because of the many musicians and artists that I know, including family members. If they become professional, they tend to become very arrogant and eccentric people, and are often cold to the things of God while &#8220;alive&#8221; to everything else. All they care about is self-expression, which in turn leads to self-absorption. When I was in college, many of the the students at the arts and music schools were very immoral, and unashamed about it.</p>
<p>So as a Christian, what is the balance between appreciating and even expressing artistic gifts, and avoiding the extremes of egotism? Especially, how is this done in the church, where we die to self and live to God? I know it&#8217;s not just a choice between asceticism and hedonism, but I haven&#8217;t found many Christians with a healthy perspective on artistic gifts.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m going to go listen to Bach. &#8220;Wachet auf,&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Decker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Decker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: question #10 

I experienced a similar situation when the church I was attending split in the late 80&#039;s.  It shook me spiritually to see all hell break loose within a church sanctuary.  My kids, now adult, have never totally recovered from that experience.  They said it was like watching the Jerry Springer show. 
Our human flaws alone cannot explain the spirit of division and malevolence that was manifested that morning. It was a spiritual attack unlike any other I&#039;ve seen in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: question #10 </p>
<p>I experienced a similar situation when the church I was attending split in the late 80&#8242;s.  It shook me spiritually to see all hell break loose within a church sanctuary.  My kids, now adult, have never totally recovered from that experience.  They said it was like watching the Jerry Springer show.<br />
Our human flaws alone cannot explain the spirit of division and malevolence that was manifested that morning. It was a spiritual attack unlike any other I&#8217;ve seen in my life.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or listen to Sarah Palin (or Tina Fey.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or listen to Sarah Palin (or Tina Fey.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Northern Rednecks say:

ya.... you betchya... Don&#039;t you know.

Just watch the movie Fargo!!!!!!!!

Now its off the wood chipper for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Northern Rednecks say:</p>
<p>ya&#8230;. you betchya&#8230; Don&#8217;t you know.</p>
<p>Just watch the movie Fargo!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Now its off the wood chipper for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved David&#039;s answer that said, in part: 

&quot;Find relationships that are healthy for you and where your contributions as a human being are received...If you find a community of people where your freedom is not compromised and you are at liberty to be you and explore, grow and contribute, hang in there. Thatâ€™s rare!&quot;

It gave me one more thing to be thankful for today, that I have people like that in my life. 

Great, great interview!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved David&#8217;s answer that said, in part: </p>
<p>&#8220;Find relationships that are healthy for you and where your contributions as a human being are received&#8230;If you find a community of people where your freedom is not compromised and you are at liberty to be you and explore, grow and contribute, hang in there. Thatâ€™s rare!&#8221;</p>
<p>It gave me one more thing to be thankful for today, that I have people like that in my life. </p>
<p>Great, great interview!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Brague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Brague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the correct quote from Lewis Grizzard is:  &quot;Naked is when you don&#039;t have any clothes on.  Nekkid is when you don&#039;t have any clothes on, and you&#039;re up to somethin&#039;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the correct quote from Lewis Grizzard is:  &#8220;Naked is when you don&#8217;t have any clothes on.  Nekkid is when you don&#8217;t have any clothes on, and you&#8217;re up to somethin&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I thought nekkid was for southern rednecks and naked was for us northerners.&quot; -- Jon S&lt;/i&gt;

What do Northern rednecks say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I thought nekkid was for southern rednecks and naked was for us northerners.&#8221; &#8212; Jon S</i></p>
<p>What do Northern rednecks say?</p>
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		<title>By: George C</title>
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		<dc:creator>George C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great interview Michael and David. I hope you don&#039;t mind I put David&#039;s quote

&quot;Someone asked me how to get the arts appreciated in her church. I suggested that she start by encouraging people to appreciate authenticity in people. Encourage it and embrace it. The arts will automatically happen. It is oppressive regimes that persecute artists because they represent the freedom of the human spirit, and this is dangerous. Remove oppression and the arts will instinctively manifest.&quot;

 up on my blog. Not only do I think it is genius, but I get to tell people that I have naked stuff on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interview Michael and David. I hope you don&#8217;t mind I put David&#8217;s quote</p>
<p>&#8220;Someone asked me how to get the arts appreciated in her church. I suggested that she start by encouraging people to appreciate authenticity in people. Encourage it and embrace it. The arts will automatically happen. It is oppressive regimes that persecute artists because they represent the freedom of the human spirit, and this is dangerous. Remove oppression and the arts will instinctively manifest.&#8221;</p>
<p> up on my blog. Not only do I think it is genius, but I get to tell people that I have naked stuff on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>two words:
YOU TUBE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two words:<br />
YOU TUBE.</p>
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