Comments on: Cursing the Fall http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:36:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rick Ro. http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall/comment-page-1#comment-524763 Rick Ro. Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:29:26 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=5599#comment-524763 LOL! Both of those are great quotes that contain deep truth, are they not? Thanks for sharing them, Jeremy. LOL! Both of those are great quotes that contain deep truth, are they not? Thanks for sharing them, Jeremy.

]]> By: Jeremy Berg http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall/comment-page-1#comment-524736 Jeremy Berg Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:31:55 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=5599#comment-524736 Yes, Jesus' kingdom teachings are terribly impractical and make little "business sense." I just came across a quote in "Organic Church" by Neil Cole by John Belushi from the film "Animal House" that is quite fitting: "Nothing is impossible for the man who will not listen to reason." Or, Hauwerwas and Willimon: "Whenever a people are bound together in loyalty to a story that includes something as strange as the Sermon on the Mount, we are put at odds with the world." - Resident Aliens, 94 Yes, Jesus’ kingdom teachings are terribly impractical and make little “business sense.” I just came across a quote in “Organic Church” by Neil Cole by John Belushi from the film “Animal House” that is quite fitting:

“Nothing is impossible for the man who will not listen to reason.”

Or, Hauwerwas and Willimon:

“Whenever a people are bound together in loyalty to a story that includes something as strange as the Sermon on the Mount, we are put at odds with the world.” – Resident Aliens, 94

]]> By: Rick Ro. http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall/comment-page-1#comment-524712 Rick Ro. Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:10:17 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=5599#comment-524712 Also a nice comment. I'm leading an adult Sunday school class through the gospels of Mark and Matthew (at the same time...that's quite the challenge!) and we're in Matthew 10 right now. All one has to do is read how Jesus commissioned his disciples, what he told them to bring with them, and what they would run into, to get a sense that ministry and mission is NOT about prosperity, nor will it be all rosy. I don't see much "business sense" in what Jesus tells the twelve in Matthew 10. Also a nice comment. I’m leading an adult Sunday school class through the gospels of Mark and Matthew (at the same time…that’s quite the challenge!) and we’re in Matthew 10 right now. All one has to do is read how Jesus commissioned his disciples, what he told them to bring with them, and what they would run into, to get a sense that ministry and mission is NOT about prosperity, nor will it be all rosy. I don’t see much “business sense” in what Jesus tells the twelve in Matthew 10.

]]> By: Rick Ro. http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall/comment-page-1#comment-524710 Rick Ro. Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:05:39 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=5599#comment-524710 Wow. Nicely said. Wow. Nicely said.

]]> By: dumb ox http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall/comment-page-1#comment-524672 dumb ox Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:31:08 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=5599#comment-524672 While reading about the bourgeois religion of the enlightenment, i see a lot of similarities with current, pragmatic evangelicalism. The bourgeois wanted a religion free of any intervention by God or interference by original sin and death on their business plans. It's easy to see similar demands from affluent classes today for a religion which is silent on sin and suffering while emphasizing business-like, calculated methods for greater prosperity and profit. Peace is made with death, because angst distracts the business mind from greater progress. The parable of the rich young ruler, who is called to abandon his wealth, sounds absolutely unpatriotic. As much as I hate how many preach about end-times, I think preaching on end times is in danger, too, because it does not paint a rosie picture for the future of Wall Street's irrational exuberance and may even lead some driven businessmen to leave the American Dream for the Great Commission. While reading about the bourgeois religion of the enlightenment, i see a lot of similarities with current, pragmatic evangelicalism. The bourgeois wanted a religion free of any intervention by God or interference by original sin and death on their business plans. It’s easy to see similar demands from affluent classes today for a religion which is silent on sin and suffering while emphasizing business-like, calculated methods for greater prosperity and profit. Peace is made with death, because angst distracts the business mind from greater progress. The parable of the rich young ruler, who is called to abandon his wealth, sounds absolutely unpatriotic. As much as I hate how many preach about end-times, I think preaching on end times is in danger, too, because it does not paint a rosie picture for the future of Wall Street’s irrational exuberance and may even lead some driven businessmen to leave the American Dream for the Great Commission.

]]> By: Chaplain Mike http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall/comment-page-1#comment-524644 Chaplain Mike Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:43:19 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=5599#comment-524644 Blaming it on the fall also helps me be more gentle on my fellow sinners. After all, we're in the same dilemma, and though my sins may be better hidden or more respectable, we are all stumbling through this barren land together. Blaming it on the fall also helps me be more gentle on my fellow sinners. After all, we’re in the same dilemma, and though my sins may be better hidden or more respectable, we are all stumbling through this barren land together.

]]> By: Rick Ro. http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall/comment-page-1#comment-524615 Rick Ro. Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:30:17 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=5599#comment-524615 Amen, Jeremy. Great post, with nice spiritual depth. It is during the times of thorns and thistles that I try to remind myself of Jesus Christ's example. Did he curse God for being nailed to the cross? No. He realized that it was not God, but the Fall of man, that did him in. During times of thorns and thistles, we need to remind ourselves of that, that it was the Fall that led man to treat the Son of God like the vile criminals he was crucified between. I don't think it was God's intent that any of us should suffer to the extent that many of us suffer. Blame it on the Fall. Amen, Jeremy. Great post, with nice spiritual depth.

It is during the times of thorns and thistles that I try to remind myself of Jesus Christ’s example. Did he curse God for being nailed to the cross? No. He realized that it was not God, but the Fall of man, that did him in. During times of thorns and thistles, we need to remind ourselves of that, that it was the Fall that led man to treat the Son of God like the vile criminals he was crucified between.

I don’t think it was God’s intent that any of us should suffer to the extent that many of us suffer. Blame it on the Fall.

]]> By: Denise Fath http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall/comment-page-1#comment-524605 Denise Fath Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:31:40 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=5599#comment-524605 I think a big part of the problem is that so few people will think to curse the Fall because they either don't believe or don't understand it. That Adam and Eve's wrong decision could have such immense consequences for every human being is, well, kind of hard to comprehend - especially for the average person who has only a very rudimentary understanding of it. And I must echo the others in saying that "cursing in the right direction" is a very useful and succinct way to phrase such a very crucial concept! I think I'll add that to my sayings, if I may =) I think a big part of the problem is that so few people will think to curse the Fall because they either don’t believe or don’t understand it. That Adam and Eve’s wrong decision could have such immense consequences for every human being is, well, kind of hard to comprehend – especially for the average person who has only a very rudimentary understanding of it.

And I must echo the others in saying that “cursing in the right direction” is a very useful and succinct way to phrase such a very crucial concept! I think I’ll add that to my sayings, if I may =)

]]> By: Cursing the Fall « Daily Illumination (Jeremy Berg) http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/cursing-the-fall/comment-page-1#comment-524517 Cursing the Fall « Daily Illumination (Jeremy Berg) Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:20:10 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=5599#comment-524517 [...] cursing in the right direction.  A special thanks to the Internet Monk for also sharing this post HERE. [...] [...] cursing in the right direction.  A special thanks to the Internet Monk for also sharing this post HERE. [...]

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