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	<title>Comments on: Coffee Cup Apologetics: Why I Am A Christian: Ten Reasons</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I say in the podcast, apologetics is, in my ministry, a way to show that we have thoughtful answers, and our faith isn&#039;t an unreasonable leap in the dark.

That being said, if the Holy Spirit doesn&#039;t open eyes and change hearts, no argument works. I never use apologetics as evangelism.

Of course, I don&#039;t see the Bible using a lot of &quot;testimony stories&quot; for evangelism either. Evangelism is a cross cultural communication of the Gospel.

A presentation like this says that we have a reason for the hope within. It&#039;s not the whole reason, the ultimate reason and certainly not the transforming reason. But it is coherent, and it shows that a person can be a Christian and articulate their faith.

I&#039;m sure you realize that adherents of other religions have encounters with their gods that they also believe are beyond argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I say in the podcast, apologetics is, in my ministry, a way to show that we have thoughtful answers, and our faith isn&#8217;t an unreasonable leap in the dark.</p>
<p>That being said, if the Holy Spirit doesn&#8217;t open eyes and change hearts, no argument works. I never use apologetics as evangelism.</p>
<p>Of course, I don&#8217;t see the Bible using a lot of &#8220;testimony stories&#8221; for evangelism either. Evangelism is a cross cultural communication of the Gospel.</p>
<p>A presentation like this says that we have a reason for the hope within. It&#8217;s not the whole reason, the ultimate reason and certainly not the transforming reason. But it is coherent, and it shows that a person can be a Christian and articulate their faith.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you realize that adherents of other religions have encounters with their gods that they also believe are beyond argument.</p>
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		<title>By: K.W. Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.W. Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like logic (I used to teach it) but I don&#039;t use it as the basis of apologetics any more. Even flawless logic has too many loopholes.

Muslims believe there&#039;s a God, and He&#039;s merciful; but the Quran offers them no guarantee that He&#039;ll let them into Paradise. Following the Five Pillars of Islam is their answer to Pascal&#039;s Wager. And every other religion does the same: &quot;Live it out,&quot; they&#039;ll tell us, &quot;and see if it&#039;s not so.&quot;

I need more than just an educated guess as the basis of my devotion. And I have more: I have a testimony of personal encounters with Jesus that are confirmed by other Christians. Poke holes in my logic all you like; it&#039;s a lot harder to deny my experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like logic (I used to teach it) but I don&#8217;t use it as the basis of apologetics any more. Even flawless logic has too many loopholes.</p>
<p>Muslims believe there&#8217;s a God, and He&#8217;s merciful; but the Quran offers them no guarantee that He&#8217;ll let them into Paradise. Following the Five Pillars of Islam is their answer to Pascal&#8217;s Wager. And every other religion does the same: &#8220;Live it out,&#8221; they&#8217;ll tell us, &#8220;and see if it&#8217;s not so.&#8221;</p>
<p>I need more than just an educated guess as the basis of my devotion. And I have more: I have a testimony of personal encounters with Jesus that are confirmed by other Christians. Poke holes in my logic all you like; it&#8217;s a lot harder to deny my experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Fremen_Warrior66</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fremen_Warrior66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an atheist&#039;s thoughts on Pascal&#039;s wager. This is a quote from http://www.geocities.com/questioningpage/Jesus1.html

&quot;Some suggest that I should believe anyway. They will tell me I have too much to lose if I am wrong. So, since the claimed payoff for Christianity is infinite, I am told I should follow it on the outside chance that it might be true. This argument is known as Pascal&#039;s wager. I think it is faulty. Suppose I elect to believe just in case, and select your religious views--ignoring for the moment that many religions conflict with yours--and that somehow I &quot;believe,&quot; even though I am not thoroughly convinced it is true. Would God honor this kind of belief? Would God honor me for going through the motions of belief and acting as though I believe, even though I doubt? Wouldn&#039;t that be dishonest? Does God honor such dishonesty? If your God promotes such dishonesty, then how do you know you can trust him? For a God who wants me to pretend to believe might himself be pretending when he makes a promise. A God who blesses lying might himself be lying. If such a God exists, we are all in peril. Nobody could know what a lying God would do.&quot;

Interesting thoughts. I personally prefer not to refer to Pascal&#039;s wager to agnostics and atheists, because they find it quite insulting to their reasonable and intelligent self-image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an atheist&#8217;s thoughts on Pascal&#8217;s wager. This is a quote from <a href="http://www.geocities.com/questioningpage/Jesus1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/questioningpage/Jesus1.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Some suggest that I should believe anyway. They will tell me I have too much to lose if I am wrong. So, since the claimed payoff for Christianity is infinite, I am told I should follow it on the outside chance that it might be true. This argument is known as Pascal&#8217;s wager. I think it is faulty. Suppose I elect to believe just in case, and select your religious views&#8211;ignoring for the moment that many religions conflict with yours&#8211;and that somehow I &#8220;believe,&#8221; even though I am not thoroughly convinced it is true. Would God honor this kind of belief? Would God honor me for going through the motions of belief and acting as though I believe, even though I doubt? Wouldn&#8217;t that be dishonest? Does God honor such dishonesty? If your God promotes such dishonesty, then how do you know you can trust him? For a God who wants me to pretend to believe might himself be pretending when he makes a promise. A God who blesses lying might himself be lying. If such a God exists, we are all in peril. Nobody could know what a lying God would do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting thoughts. I personally prefer not to refer to Pascal&#8217;s wager to agnostics and atheists, because they find it quite insulting to their reasonable and intelligent self-image.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve addressed this many times on the old post.

Compared to the Christian promise, I have lost an immeasurable amount. Compared to an atheist&#039;s view of no eternal state, I&#039;ve lost nothing. I believe that Paul&#039;s hyperbolic statements needs to be considered carefully. I am not sure that Paul would have recommended a stoic adopt the lifestyle of a hedonist in the name of &quot;a better life.&quot; Many Jews do not believe in an afterlife, and many in Eastern religions hope for annihilation or assimilation into the one. I don&#039;t think Paul&#039;s word to them was to go find hookers and whiskey. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve addressed this many times on the old post.</p>
<p>Compared to the Christian promise, I have lost an immeasurable amount. Compared to an atheist&#8217;s view of no eternal state, I&#8217;ve lost nothing. I believe that Paul&#8217;s hyperbolic statements needs to be considered carefully. I am not sure that Paul would have recommended a stoic adopt the lifestyle of a hedonist in the name of &#8220;a better life.&#8221; Many Jews do not believe in an afterlife, and many in Eastern religions hope for annihilation or assimilation into the one. I don&#8217;t think Paul&#8217;s word to them was to go find hookers and whiskey. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BKC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;10. Based on Pascal’s wager, I await eventual verification of this conclusion after death, but haven’t lost anything if I am wrong.&quot;

Michael, I understand the purpose of these propositions are not split hairs but I would seriously consider the inclusion of the above statement.  Paul thought that if we&#039;ve hoped in Christ in this life alone, we are to be pitied.  If Jesus isn&#039;t who the Bible says then the Christian life is silliness.  If we are wrong, we have lost a lot, I think.  I would especially think about this as presented to non-believers.  I am afraid it presents Christianity as a very easy choice with no harm done if you&#039;re wrong about it.  I just don&#039;t believe that.  I don&#039;t think you do either.  Just something to think about.

Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;10. Based on Pascal’s wager, I await eventual verification of this conclusion after death, but haven’t lost anything if I am wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Michael, I understand the purpose of these propositions are not split hairs but I would seriously consider the inclusion of the above statement.  Paul thought that if we&#8217;ve hoped in Christ in this life alone, we are to be pitied.  If Jesus isn&#8217;t who the Bible says then the Christian life is silliness.  If we are wrong, we have lost a lot, I think.  I would especially think about this as presented to non-believers.  I am afraid it presents Christianity as a very easy choice with no harm done if you&#8217;re wrong about it.  I just don&#8217;t believe that.  I don&#8217;t think you do either.  Just something to think about.</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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		<title>By: MMM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yaay! Vulcan Logic, Applied! 

and I&#039;d choose to believe anyway, and am planning to post why. This will be a good bookMMMark to use though. 

Hi, IMonk. Long time no coMMMent from MMMe, but I&#039;ve been lurking. Hope you&#039;re well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yaay! Vulcan Logic, Applied! </p>
<p>and I&#8217;d choose to believe anyway, and am planning to post why. This will be a good bookMMMark to use though. </p>
<p>Hi, IMonk. Long time no coMMMent from MMMe, but I&#8217;ve been lurking. Hope you&#8217;re well.</p>
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