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		<title>By: Idiot Proof Diet India</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idiot Proof Diet India</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: schwarzkopf</title>
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		<dc:creator>schwarzkopf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what to say. I really do not even comment on such blogs. I desire the cease to be mundane and vain in such matters, but I am what I am. flesh and blood, like the rest of mankind -- squishing about and trying to say something of importance. Although the thought of &quot;saying something&quot; is perhaps profoundly meaningless. I don&#039;t even know that what I would say would have any weight at all -- but I will try. 

Apart from all the political issues and opinions on whether one supports or opposes what -- what issues are agreed on or not -- one thing remains... pounding like a restless hammer in my heart...

Are we sincerely ready to love our neighbors and get on peacefully? Ready to see those showing up at the doorsteps at the one who does such? It is like the hunger of a little Tiny Tim and his master&#039;s table, begging for more. What do I mean by this? Someone mentioned it so nicely earlier ... it is those who are like us, different from us ---in varying degrees from a little to starkly so who are our neighbors.  We need to try something we have never tried before in order to see any sort of change (and that includes a change in us). Many are afraid of loving boundlessly, because for them it means compromising or losing &quot;the faith&quot;. We are too vain by trying to get everyone to agree with us -- see things our way or behave as we would have it. Yet, we do not see the shaky image staring back at us when we look in the mirror (at least, symbolically). We forget about how shameful we feel when we do things or say things in private we would not even dare allowing others to know about. We are addicted to all sorts of sorts and suffer from unhappiness. We too fear death and sorrow. And often are the cause. All of us -- have the rage, the strong will, the evil the perversity, and tumultuous, relentless desire for love. We are bored and search for meaning through others and leaders and presidents and &quot;church doctrine&quot;. All these things may be good, but not without sincerity and the desire, at least, to be willing to love boundlessly. It is this love that leaves me speechless and thirsty for life and understanding and an unspeakable acceptance of others -- even though it may be those who harm themselves or others or offend my train of thought. The stinky, the poor - the rich -- the perv -- Pagan. It is the God of this sort of love I seek. I don&#039;t want to live any sort of agenda -- only to give my best shot at loving and understanding and eating and drinking in the company of the lovely, rugged, horrific, simple and profound human beings God created for me to cultivate and for me to be cultivated by. I don&#039;t know .. but I believe it will be this sort of untainted love (untainted by personal, political, or other sorts of agendas or evils), which will bring us back to the beginning and the end of Hope. 
Thank you for taking my comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what to say. I really do not even comment on such blogs. I desire the cease to be mundane and vain in such matters, but I am what I am. flesh and blood, like the rest of mankind &#8212; squishing about and trying to say something of importance. Although the thought of &#8220;saying something&#8221; is perhaps profoundly meaningless. I don&#8217;t even know that what I would say would have any weight at all &#8212; but I will try. </p>
<p>Apart from all the political issues and opinions on whether one supports or opposes what &#8212; what issues are agreed on or not &#8212; one thing remains&#8230; pounding like a restless hammer in my heart&#8230;</p>
<p>Are we sincerely ready to love our neighbors and get on peacefully? Ready to see those showing up at the doorsteps at the one who does such? It is like the hunger of a little Tiny Tim and his master&#8217;s table, begging for more. What do I mean by this? Someone mentioned it so nicely earlier &#8230; it is those who are like us, different from us &#8212;in varying degrees from a little to starkly so who are our neighbors.  We need to try something we have never tried before in order to see any sort of change (and that includes a change in us). Many are afraid of loving boundlessly, because for them it means compromising or losing &#8220;the faith&#8221;. We are too vain by trying to get everyone to agree with us &#8212; see things our way or behave as we would have it. Yet, we do not see the shaky image staring back at us when we look in the mirror (at least, symbolically). We forget about how shameful we feel when we do things or say things in private we would not even dare allowing others to know about. We are addicted to all sorts of sorts and suffer from unhappiness. We too fear death and sorrow. And often are the cause. All of us &#8212; have the rage, the strong will, the evil the perversity, and tumultuous, relentless desire for love. We are bored and search for meaning through others and leaders and presidents and &#8220;church doctrine&#8221;. All these things may be good, but not without sincerity and the desire, at least, to be willing to love boundlessly. It is this love that leaves me speechless and thirsty for life and understanding and an unspeakable acceptance of others &#8212; even though it may be those who harm themselves or others or offend my train of thought. The stinky, the poor &#8211; the rich &#8212; the perv &#8212; Pagan. It is the God of this sort of love I seek. I don&#8217;t want to live any sort of agenda &#8212; only to give my best shot at loving and understanding and eating and drinking in the company of the lovely, rugged, horrific, simple and profound human beings God created for me to cultivate and for me to be cultivated by. I don&#8217;t know .. but I believe it will be this sort of untainted love (untainted by personal, political, or other sorts of agendas or evils), which will bring us back to the beginning and the end of Hope.<br />
Thank you for taking my comment.</p>
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		<title>By: David Egbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Egbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the article.

It is true that we need to pray for our leaders that they make the right choices in these difficult and trying times.

However, we are in a different situation than the early Christians.  In the world and country they lived in, if they spoke out against the tyranny of the government they would likely be killed.  They would then be unable to spread the word of Jesus.

We are at a Critical time in our country where the media congratulates those of moral terpitude thereby encouraging men, women and children to follow the sinful road.  You want to make it big like a rock star, cheat on your wife, be promiscuis, cuss, drink and do drugs.  

The people that promoted this president from the very begining are the same people that promote these ideas to our children.  They have an agenda and have a large amount of influence on President Obama and his party.

We as Christian have an obligation to expose this underlying current that flows money and influence into the government.

We should obey the law.  We should also understand (which few people in our counrty do) we are not subjects to a monarchy.  The leaders of this country do not rule us.  They are our employees.  We own the government and should understand that if they are doing something wrong we have an obligation to this country, that God has entrusted us with, to do something about it.

PRAY, PLEASE PRAY that our new president will hear the word of God speaking to him and lead him on a straight and noble path.  If the president starts to step off that path, we need to call him on it in a very loud way.

Too many people have fought and died for our freedoms to let anyone take them away at once or a little bit at a time.

Pray and keep your eyes open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the article.</p>
<p>It is true that we need to pray for our leaders that they make the right choices in these difficult and trying times.</p>
<p>However, we are in a different situation than the early Christians.  In the world and country they lived in, if they spoke out against the tyranny of the government they would likely be killed.  They would then be unable to spread the word of Jesus.</p>
<p>We are at a Critical time in our country where the media congratulates those of moral terpitude thereby encouraging men, women and children to follow the sinful road.  You want to make it big like a rock star, cheat on your wife, be promiscuis, cuss, drink and do drugs.  </p>
<p>The people that promoted this president from the very begining are the same people that promote these ideas to our children.  They have an agenda and have a large amount of influence on President Obama and his party.</p>
<p>We as Christian have an obligation to expose this underlying current that flows money and influence into the government.</p>
<p>We should obey the law.  We should also understand (which few people in our counrty do) we are not subjects to a monarchy.  The leaders of this country do not rule us.  They are our employees.  We own the government and should understand that if they are doing something wrong we have an obligation to this country, that God has entrusted us with, to do something about it.</p>
<p>PRAY, PLEASE PRAY that our new president will hear the word of God speaking to him and lead him on a straight and noble path.  If the president starts to step off that path, we need to call him on it in a very loud way.</p>
<p>Too many people have fought and died for our freedoms to let anyone take them away at once or a little bit at a time.</p>
<p>Pray and keep your eyes open.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too bad that you didn&#039;t write this when Christians weren&#039;t supporting President Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too bad that you didn&#8217;t write this when Christians weren&#8217;t supporting President Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: John Conant</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Conant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone,
I agree with iMonk, pray for those in authority (1 Tim 2:2). I also agree especially on 1 Peter 2. 
1 Peter 2:23 (see 1 Peter 2:18-24) says of Jesus, &#039;and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;&#039;. What an excellent example Jesus Christ left and lived for us! What then shall we put into practice?
 If we suffer momentary light affliction now (2 Cor 4:17) in seeking to follow God the Father&#039;s will (compared to an ETERNITY in HEAVEN) then what is it for us to pray for those in authority?
 AS we Christians take our disappointments and our disagreements and our fears and we pray and we lift them up to God our loving Father, the Creator, we are submitting ourselves NOT for our WILL but for HIS to be done, in awaiting God&#039;s response. 
 Thanks, all, for your time on this. 
-jc &lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,<br />
I agree with iMonk, pray for those in authority (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Tim+2%3A2" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Tim 2:2">1 Tim 2:2</a>). I also agree especially on <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+2" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 2">1 Peter 2</a>.<br />
<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+2%3A23" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 2:23">1 Peter 2:23</a> (see <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+2%3A18-24" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 2:18-24">1 Peter 2:18-24</a>) says of Jesus, &#8216;and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;&#8217;. What an excellent example Jesus Christ left and lived for us! What then shall we put into practice?<br />
 If we suffer momentary light affliction now (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=2+Cor+4%3A17" class="bibleref" title="ESV 2Cor 4:17">2 Cor 4:17</a>) in seeking to follow God the Father&#8217;s will (compared to an ETERNITY in HEAVEN) then what is it for us to pray for those in authority?<br />
 AS we Christians take our disappointments and our disagreements and our fears and we pray and we lift them up to God our loving Father, the Creator, we are submitting ourselves NOT for our WILL but for HIS to be done, in awaiting God&#8217;s response.<br />
 Thanks, all, for your time on this.<br />
-jc &lt;</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think no matter how we voted, we all need an Inauguration day Attitude Check. Where is our hope? Not in government. Yet still, we are called to pray…and submit. Yikes! For a full thoughtful evangelical’s post, check out Red Letter Believers at:

http://redletterbelievers.blogspot.com/2009/01/inauguration-day-attitude-check.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think no matter how we voted, we all need an Inauguration day Attitude Check. Where is our hope? Not in government. Yet still, we are called to pray…and submit. Yikes! For a full thoughtful evangelical’s post, check out Red Letter Believers at:</p>
<p><a href="http://redletterbelievers.blogspot.com/2009/01/inauguration-day-attitude-check.html" rel="nofollow">http://redletterbelievers.blogspot.com/2009/01/inauguration-day-attitude-check.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, I don&#039;t submit to this. I agree with your outreach, but I don&#039;t agree that most Christians everywhere are being racist and full of hate. None of your example comments were racist at all. It&#039;s just easy to say Christians and repubs are racist because it&#039;s said all the time.  Yeah, we don&#039;t agree with Obama, but it is such a minority that &quot;can&#039;t wait until he&#039;s _______ed&quot; . Most Christians are doing exactly what you say to do .  Most fair criticisms are perceived as &quot;racist&quot; or &quot;hateful&quot;, but they are just criticisms. You said you could go on and on, but you only gave us 6 comments.  Sorry...there will be no civil war with Christians...we know what God has told us to do. The perception, however incorrect, is easy to swallow because we hear it all the time. We immediately think and believe that most Christians are acting this way.  Sorry..don&#039;t believe it.  If you are reading this, please count how many Christians you know that are acting this way.  That&#039;s what I thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, I don&#8217;t submit to this. I agree with your outreach, but I don&#8217;t agree that most Christians everywhere are being racist and full of hate. None of your example comments were racist at all. It&#8217;s just easy to say Christians and repubs are racist because it&#8217;s said all the time.  Yeah, we don&#8217;t agree with Obama, but it is such a minority that &#8220;can&#8217;t wait until he&#8217;s _______ed&#8221; . Most Christians are doing exactly what you say to do .  Most fair criticisms are perceived as &#8220;racist&#8221; or &#8220;hateful&#8221;, but they are just criticisms. You said you could go on and on, but you only gave us 6 comments.  Sorry&#8230;there will be no civil war with Christians&#8230;we know what God has told us to do. The perception, however incorrect, is easy to swallow because we hear it all the time. We immediately think and believe that most Christians are acting this way.  Sorry..don&#8217;t believe it.  If you are reading this, please count how many Christians you know that are acting this way.  That&#8217;s what I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Barron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Barron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for McCain. What you said is right and true. Though a Conservative/Republican, I am first and foremost a citizen of the kingdom of God. Therefore, it is my duty and privilege to pray for whoever is in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for McCain. What you said is right and true. Though a Conservative/Republican, I am first and foremost a citizen of the kingdom of God. Therefore, it is my duty and privilege to pray for whoever is in office.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 cents from an Obama supporter, voter, Christian, and generally optimistic for the next 4 years (8 maybe), father of three young children.  I understand the need for many Christians to place abortion and gay marriage central to their decision in political choices.  But! For me this produces an odd detachment from the reality of the world.  If a &quot;pro-choice&quot; president actually inacts policies that reduce the number of actual abortions over a &quot;pro-life&quot; president because he can have an realistic policy over sex education, institute policies that support the poor among us better than what is the &quot;right&quot; choice? For example Clinton had lower abortion numbers than Bush.  Why do we can rail against gay marriage but not address the cancer of divorce that is destroying families in our churches?  I don&#039;t see any protesters at the local court house spewing hate at all the couples filling papers for divorce. I do not agree with Obama on all things.  There will never be a candidate that does, but I am excited!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 cents from an Obama supporter, voter, Christian, and generally optimistic for the next 4 years (8 maybe), father of three young children.  I understand the need for many Christians to place abortion and gay marriage central to their decision in political choices.  But! For me this produces an odd detachment from the reality of the world.  If a &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; president actually inacts policies that reduce the number of actual abortions over a &#8220;pro-life&#8221; president because he can have an realistic policy over sex education, institute policies that support the poor among us better than what is the &#8220;right&#8221; choice? For example Clinton had lower abortion numbers than Bush.  Why do we can rail against gay marriage but not address the cancer of divorce that is destroying families in our churches?  I don&#8217;t see any protesters at the local court house spewing hate at all the couples filling papers for divorce. I do not agree with Obama on all things.  There will never be a candidate that does, but I am excited!</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DK and DD:

This needs to stop or at least lose the personal stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DK and DD:</p>
<p>This needs to stop or at least lose the personal stuff.</p>
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