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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay County. I&#039;ve heard of ASP. We have hundreds of volunteers stay at the campus where I work. One of the largest ministries in the mountains is Christian Appalachian project, whose leadership is Catholic, but we work with them frequently. It is a rare thing we enjoy here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay County. I&#8217;ve heard of ASP. We have hundreds of volunteers stay at the campus where I work. One of the largest ministries in the mountains is Christian Appalachian project, whose leadership is Catholic, but we work with them frequently. It is a rare thing we enjoy here.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
Whereabouts in KY are you located?
When I was a youth pastor a few years ago, I took our youth group to Knox County near Barbourville with Appalachia Service Project.  

Beautiful country.
Beautiful people.

ASP (http://asphome.org/)is a organization that ministers to housing needs of the people of Appalachia.  It is a largely United Methodist Organization, but we went (and were very warmly welcomed) as non-denominationalists.  We met Baptists and Catholics and other denominations there.  We were unified for one cause:  to be Christ&#039;s hands and feet to those around us.

I thoroughly enjoyed this post.  It brought back warm memories of our time in KY.  (I&#039;m from PA, by the way.)

Some things that divide should not.

Thanks, brother.
Nathanael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
Whereabouts in KY are you located?<br />
When I was a youth pastor a few years ago, I took our youth group to Knox County near Barbourville with Appalachia Service Project.  </p>
<p>Beautiful country.<br />
Beautiful people.</p>
<p>ASP (<a href="http://asphome.org/)is" rel="nofollow">http://asphome.org/)is</a> a organization that ministers to housing needs of the people of Appalachia.  It is a largely United Methodist Organization, but we went (and were very warmly welcomed) as non-denominationalists.  We met Baptists and Catholics and other denominations there.  We were unified for one cause:  to be Christ&#8217;s hands and feet to those around us.</p>
<p>I thoroughly enjoyed this post.  It brought back warm memories of our time in KY.  (I&#8217;m from PA, by the way.)</p>
<p>Some things that divide should not.</p>
<p>Thanks, brother.<br />
Nathanael</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

   I agree with your observations.  In bouncing around the country, I&#039;ve noticed that the Catholic parishes that are easier for a newcomer to find a place and acquantices (sp), tend to be less strict in both theology and liturgy.  And unfortunately, the reverse is true.  And I like both good liturgy and sound theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>   I agree with your observations.  In bouncing around the country, I&#8217;ve noticed that the Catholic parishes that are easier for a newcomer to find a place and acquantices (sp), tend to be less strict in both theology and liturgy.  And unfortunately, the reverse is true.  And I like both good liturgy and sound theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hornbeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Hornbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue raised by Michael is whether &quot;passion for the community&quot; which I will summarize as &quot;zeal&quot; or &quot;doctrine and truth&quot; is most important.  Paul answers that question by referring to the Jews:  &quot;For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.  For not knowing about God&#039;s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.&quot;  Romans 10: 4.  &quot;Doctrine and truth&quot;, herein referred to as &quot;knowledge&quot;, is most important.

The issue raised by both Michael and Ken is whether the right focus is determined by what the largest denominations focus upon. Paul also answers that by also referring to the last days.  &quot;For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,&quot;  2 Timothy 4:3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue raised by Michael is whether &#8220;passion for the community&#8221; which I will summarize as &#8220;zeal&#8221; or &#8220;doctrine and truth&#8221; is most important.  Paul answers that question by referring to the Jews:  &#8220;For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.  For not knowing about God&#8217;s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.&#8221;  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Romans+10" class="bibleref" title="ESV Romans 10">Romans 10</a>: 4.  &#8220;Doctrine and truth&#8221;, herein referred to as &#8220;knowledge&#8221;, is most important.</p>
<p>The issue raised by both Michael and Ken is whether the right focus is determined by what the largest denominations focus upon. Paul also answers that by also referring to the last days.  &#8220;For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,&#8221;  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=2+Timothy+4%3A3" class="bibleref" title="ESV 2Timothy 4:3">2 Timothy 4:3</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bill: You remind me why I’m not a Calvinist. Keep up the good work, and soon you and the small group that agrees with you on everything will be able to meet around the kitchen table.&lt;/i&gt;

Think he&#039;ll even wind up with that many?

According to the old &lt;i&gt;Guinness Book of World Records&lt;/i&gt;, there are a &lt;b&gt;lot&lt;/b&gt; of denominations with only &lt;b&gt;one&lt;/b&gt; member.  So many the book couldn&#039;t give a record for &quot;World&#039;s Smallest&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bill: You remind me why I’m not a Calvinist. Keep up the good work, and soon you and the small group that agrees with you on everything will be able to meet around the kitchen table.</i></p>
<p>Think he&#8217;ll even wind up with that many?</p>
<p>According to the old <i>Guinness Book of World Records</i>, there are a <b>lot</b> of denominations with only <b>one</b> member.  So many the book couldn&#8217;t give a record for &#8220;World&#8217;s Smallest&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff: I agree. If if comes down to love of the community and a passion for the community, many- not all- of the Pentecostal/Charismatic pastors are miles ahead of any other church here. It&#039;s quite unnerving to a theological guy like me.

One reason is these guys believe quite strongly that they have a &quot;last days&quot; ministry of removing barriers in the body of Christ and showing visible unity to the community. They believe this is an IMPORTANT work of the Holy Spirit, and they organize and pray toward that end.

Bill: You remind me why I&#039;m not a Calvinist. Keep up the good work, and soon you and the small group that agrees with you on everything will be able to meet around the kitchen table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff: I agree. If if comes down to love of the community and a passion for the community, many- not all- of the Pentecostal/Charismatic pastors are miles ahead of any other church here. It&#8217;s quite unnerving to a theological guy like me.</p>
<p>One reason is these guys believe quite strongly that they have a &#8220;last days&#8221; ministry of removing barriers in the body of Christ and showing visible unity to the community. They believe this is an IMPORTANT work of the Holy Spirit, and they organize and pray toward that end.</p>
<p>Bill: You remind me why I&#8217;m not a Calvinist. Keep up the good work, and soon you and the small group that agrees with you on everything will be able to meet around the kitchen table.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come from a mainline/oldline denom (Disciples of Christ) that prides itself, with some reason, for being the vanguard of ecumenical work wherever they&#039;re present.

But for my 6 years in Appalachia (West Virginia), no one led, did, or supported local church co-operative work like Pentecostals.  No one.  Mainly AG or lossely affilliated split-offs from a larger AG church charismatic churches and their leaders.  It wasn&#039;t AG leadership or ethos as far as i ever saw, but their pastors and deacons were passionate about building up the Body of Christ on a local/regional level, and they&#039;d work with Unitarians if they came to meeting and didn&#039;t mind holding hands during prayers packed tight with the words &quot;Jesus&quot; and &quot;Lord, we just...&quot;

Now, state councils of churches and legislative lobbying and petitions about federal policies and organic union talks . . . they&#039;d smile and look at you puzzled:  &quot;Well, brother, if that&#039;s where the Lord leads you!&quot;  But if it was to organize a food pantry, hammer up studs for a Habitat house, break 500 for a CROP Walk, put on Fifth Quarter programs for teens, or paint the assisted workshop warehouse, give me Pentecostals; if we&#039;re gonna pray for the protection and guidance of a community, almost no one else knows how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come from a mainline/oldline denom (Disciples of Christ) that prides itself, with some reason, for being the vanguard of ecumenical work wherever they&#8217;re present.</p>
<p>But for my 6 years in Appalachia (West Virginia), no one led, did, or supported local church co-operative work like Pentecostals.  No one.  Mainly AG or lossely affilliated split-offs from a larger AG church charismatic churches and their leaders.  It wasn&#8217;t AG leadership or ethos as far as i ever saw, but their pastors and deacons were passionate about building up the Body of Christ on a local/regional level, and they&#8217;d work with Unitarians if they came to meeting and didn&#8217;t mind holding hands during prayers packed tight with the words &#8220;Jesus&#8221; and &#8220;Lord, we just&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, state councils of churches and legislative lobbying and petitions about federal policies and organic union talks . . . they&#8217;d smile and look at you puzzled:  &#8220;Well, brother, if that&#8217;s where the Lord leads you!&#8221;  But if it was to organize a food pantry, hammer up studs for a Habitat house, break 500 for a CROP Walk, put on Fifth Quarter programs for teens, or paint the assisted workshop warehouse, give me Pentecostals; if we&#8217;re gonna pray for the protection and guidance of a community, almost no one else knows how.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article!  To Bill I would say - love unites and doctrine divides.  I think that the churches in Appalachia are probably greater beacons of light than those who preach doctrine without applying it because of their unity in love and care for each other and because they understand that the truth is, as Jesus said and UberGooder quotes:

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul, and with all your strength. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.”

I don&#039;t see anything in the article about seeker services or ecumenical efforts - I just see churches whose members are doing their best to live by the commandment quoted above.  I&#039;m sure that in reality it&#039;s not perfection by any means - but it certainly looks a lot more like Christianity in action than what goes on where I live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article!  To Bill I would say &#8211; love unites and doctrine divides.  I think that the churches in Appalachia are probably greater beacons of light than those who preach doctrine without applying it because of their unity in love and care for each other and because they understand that the truth is, as Jesus said and UberGooder quotes:</p>
<p>“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul, and with all your strength. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.”</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see anything in the article about seeker services or ecumenical efforts &#8211; I just see churches whose members are doing their best to live by the commandment quoted above.  I&#8217;m sure that in reality it&#8217;s not perfection by any means &#8211; but it certainly looks a lot more like Christianity in action than what goes on where I live.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful post. 

I&#039;m not a regular commenter but do read here often. 

Your post brought back many wonderful memories Michael of my youth in Knox County KY, family and friends there, many of them gone now, Church &#039;meetings&#039; and the preacher sitting around our supper table on many Sunday afternoons. 

You made me realize how much I miss the simplicity of it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful post. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a regular commenter but do read here often. </p>
<p>Your post brought back many wonderful memories Michael of my youth in Knox County KY, family and friends there, many of them gone now, Church &#8216;meetings&#8217; and the preacher sitting around our supper table on many Sunday afternoons. </p>
<p>You made me realize how much I miss the simplicity of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: eclexia</title>
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		<dc:creator>eclexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for painting a beautiful word picture of the community in which you live. I love different cultures and the things I can learn from the people that make up those cultures. I really appreciated this post. We have so much to learn from each other in our walk with God and each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for painting a beautiful word picture of the community in which you live. I love different cultures and the things I can learn from the people that make up those cultures. I really appreciated this post. We have so much to learn from each other in our walk with God and each other.</p>
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