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		<title>By: Jason_Louisville</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/brilliant/comment-page-1#comment-5305</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason_Louisville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 05:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious if the IMB considers the Ethiopian eunich&#039;s baptism as valid? After all, I&#039;m not sure that you can prove it met all of the qualifications they set up. 

Yet, isn&#039;t it ironic that the only question the Catholic Church asks is, &quot;Were you baptized with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?&quot; You have to provide documentation, of course, but there&#039;s nothing about &quot;what did they believe about predestination, regeneration, and did the pastor&#039;s socks match? Seriously, there comes a point where peoples&#039; theology starts to insult the work of God. 

Of course, it is only like 30 people who voted for this, but still, isn&#039;t the IMB one of the largest missionary agencies in the world? I&#039;m asking... I&#039;m not really sure since I didn&#039;t grow up involved in a Baptist church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious if the IMB considers the Ethiopian eunich&#8217;s baptism as valid? After all, I&#8217;m not sure that you can prove it met all of the qualifications they set up. </p>
<p>Yet, isn&#8217;t it ironic that the only question the Catholic Church asks is, &#8220;Were you baptized with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?&#8221; You have to provide documentation, of course, but there&#8217;s nothing about &#8220;what did they believe about predestination, regeneration, and did the pastor&#8217;s socks match? Seriously, there comes a point where peoples&#8217; theology starts to insult the work of God. </p>
<p>Of course, it is only like 30 people who voted for this, but still, isn&#8217;t the IMB one of the largest missionary agencies in the world? I&#8217;m asking&#8230; I&#8217;m not really sure since I didn&#8217;t grow up involved in a Baptist church.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Baptism of Disciples Alone by Fred Malone is the definitive book on credobaptism from a covenant theology perspective.

A short version is on the web as &quot;A String of Pearls Unstrung&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Baptism of Disciples Alone by Fred Malone is the definitive book on credobaptism from a covenant theology perspective.</p>
<p>A short version is on the web as &#8220;A String of Pearls Unstrung&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sparticus</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/brilliant/comment-page-1#comment-5296</link>
		<dc:creator>sparticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mention that &quot;Fred Malone has explained that position in detail&quot;, anything you could point to about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention that &#8220;Fred Malone has explained that position in detail&#8221;, anything you could point to about this?</p>
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		<title>By: dailywalkwithjesus</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/brilliant/comment-page-1#comment-5265</link>
		<dc:creator>dailywalkwithjesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

I don&#039;t think that SBC&#039;ers think that we&#039;re the only ones doing the Lord&#039;s work.  However we&#039;re in the SBC and it is our job to do the Lord&#039;s work for that is the denomination where God put us.  Some leaders may have such tunnel vision that they don&#039;t see.  

I find it interesting that the whale in London &lt;a href=&quot;http://dailywalkwithjesus.blogspot.com/2006/01/as-deer-pants-for-water.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;died of dehydration&lt;/a&gt; as he was immersed in water.  This is what leaders are in danger of doing if they do not take the time to read God&#039;s word for themselves.  They are surrounded by the water of God&#039;s word but do not have the time to set aside their responsibilities, sermons, blogs, speeches, funerals, and just read God&#039;s word for what it has to say to them.  

I fear in our ever busying world that is what is happening to many of our great leaders.  Perhaps that is why many of the greatest Christian works happened when folks were in prison and had time to pray and read God&#039;s word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that SBC&#8217;ers think that we&#8217;re the only ones doing the Lord&#8217;s work.  However we&#8217;re in the SBC and it is our job to do the Lord&#8217;s work for that is the denomination where God put us.  Some leaders may have such tunnel vision that they don&#8217;t see.  </p>
<p>I find it interesting that the whale in London <a href="http://dailywalkwithjesus.blogspot.com/2006/01/as-deer-pants-for-water.html" rel="nofollow">died of dehydration</a> as he was immersed in water.  This is what leaders are in danger of doing if they do not take the time to read God&#8217;s word for themselves.  They are surrounded by the water of God&#8217;s word but do not have the time to set aside their responsibilities, sermons, blogs, speeches, funerals, and just read God&#8217;s word for what it has to say to them.  </p>
<p>I fear in our ever busying world that is what is happening to many of our great leaders.  Perhaps that is why many of the greatest Christian works happened when folks were in prison and had time to pray and read God&#8217;s word.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Sweatman</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/brilliant/comment-page-1#comment-5263</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sweatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

From what I&#039;ve read, there is some of that sort of thinking within the SBC.  I believe it is a minority view within the convention, but it appears that some of our convention leaders believe this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read, there is some of that sort of thinking within the SBC.  I believe it is a minority view within the convention, but it appears that some of our convention leaders believe this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense, but I wonder if this problem is symptomatic of subtle thinking that the SBC is the only denomination doing the Lord&#039;s work nowadays...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense, but I wonder if this problem is symptomatic of subtle thinking that the SBC is the only denomination doing the Lord&#8217;s work nowadays&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Sweatman</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/brilliant/comment-page-1#comment-5259</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sweatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me try this again.  (This login thing is a real pain.  Somehow when I went to post my comment I was logged off and my comment got lost.)

Michael,
Great post.  The article is the &lt;i&gt;Baptist Messenger&lt;/i&gt; is the only really good writing on this issue that I have seen in any of our Baptist papers.

Like Wade Burleson, I believe these policies are symptomatic of a deeper issue within the SBC---the drawing of more narrow lines of cooperation on the basis of specific interpretations of Scripture passages on which conservatives/inerrantists have long disagreed.  There is no passage of Scripture that &lt;i&gt;definitively&lt;/i&gt; teaches cessation of tongues.  Some conservatives/inerrantists believe that some passages indirectly teach cessationism, but others believe that the Bible says nothing about tongues ceasing as a valid gift.  Now only one of these views can be right, but because we don&#039;t have any &lt;i&gt;clear biblical statement&lt;/i&gt; one way or the other, we cannot be &lt;i&gt;absolutely certain&lt;/i&gt; which view is right.  So we agree to disagree without breaking fellowship, and we still work together despite our differing views.  But now the IMB trustees have decreed that one must hold to the view of total cessationism in order to serve as an IMB missionary, even though the Bible does not clearly teach this view and the SBC itself has never officially addressed the issue (at least through the BF&amp;M).

Regarding the baptism issue, it seems that Landmarkism has been lurking beneath the surface within SBC circles for several decades, waiting for the right moment to emerge.  If I recall correctly, Wade said that one of his fellow IMB trustees told him, &quot;I&#039;m proud to be a Landmarkist.&quot;  There is definitely a current of Landmarkism within the SBC, but I&#039;m not sure how widespread it is.  I have been engaged in a discussion about baptism with another Kentucky pastor on my blog.  He holds to the view that the validity of a baptism is dependent on the theology of the minister or church administering the baptism, which seems to be the position of the IMB Board of Trustees.  I reject this view because there is no passage of Scripture that supports it, and I believe that such a view reflects an inaccurate understanding of what baptism is.  I am greatly concerned that we as Southern Baptists claim to believe that the Bible is sufficient to guide our faith and practice, but we enact doctrinal policies that have &lt;b&gt;no clear basis in Scripture&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me try this again.  (This login thing is a real pain.  Somehow when I went to post my comment I was logged off and my comment got lost.)</p>
<p>Michael,<br />
Great post.  The article is the <i>Baptist Messenger</i> is the only really good writing on this issue that I have seen in any of our Baptist papers.</p>
<p>Like Wade Burleson, I believe these policies are symptomatic of a deeper issue within the SBC&#8212;the drawing of more narrow lines of cooperation on the basis of specific interpretations of Scripture passages on which conservatives/inerrantists have long disagreed.  There is no passage of Scripture that <i>definitively</i> teaches cessation of tongues.  Some conservatives/inerrantists believe that some passages indirectly teach cessationism, but others believe that the Bible says nothing about tongues ceasing as a valid gift.  Now only one of these views can be right, but because we don&#8217;t have any <i>clear biblical statement</i> one way or the other, we cannot be <i>absolutely certain</i> which view is right.  So we agree to disagree without breaking fellowship, and we still work together despite our differing views.  But now the IMB trustees have decreed that one must hold to the view of total cessationism in order to serve as an IMB missionary, even though the Bible does not clearly teach this view and the SBC itself has never officially addressed the issue (at least through the BF&amp;M).</p>
<p>Regarding the baptism issue, it seems that Landmarkism has been lurking beneath the surface within SBC circles for several decades, waiting for the right moment to emerge.  If I recall correctly, Wade said that one of his fellow IMB trustees told him, &#8220;I&#8217;m proud to be a Landmarkist.&#8221;  There is definitely a current of Landmarkism within the SBC, but I&#8217;m not sure how widespread it is.  I have been engaged in a discussion about baptism with another Kentucky pastor on my blog.  He holds to the view that the validity of a baptism is dependent on the theology of the minister or church administering the baptism, which seems to be the position of the IMB Board of Trustees.  I reject this view because there is no passage of Scripture that supports it, and I believe that such a view reflects an inaccurate understanding of what baptism is.  I am greatly concerned that we as Southern Baptists claim to believe that the Bible is sufficient to guide our faith and practice, but we enact doctrinal policies that have <b>no clear basis in Scripture</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: onething</title>
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		<dc:creator>onething</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: dailywalkwithjesus</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/brilliant/comment-page-1#comment-5255</link>
		<dc:creator>dailywalkwithjesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good article.  We must not forget that the IMB board is accountable not only to the SBC convention but also to God himself.  There are too many of us grassroots believers who are praying for God to ignore us.  He is the ultimate judge and will call to task all whose motivations are not pure.

I think it is vital for those who are on the &quot;outside&quot; of this controversy to take our grievances to the One who will discipline and forgive.  I&#039;m so thankful that I and my church haven&#039;t received what we deserve for we have made many mistakes.  AS the body of Christ, Christ has disciplined us and humbled us.  As an important governing body, God will discipline and deal with the IMB board but we must be faithful to pray and ask the Lord to handle it.

Many saints are praying about this issue.  The Lord is too mighty and too in charge to turn His head.  It is vital that we acknowledge we are helpless and that we humble ourselves and pray for Him to handle it.

Nothing comes from fussing.  We must be Christians in word and in deed.  

That is what I fear -- Christians on both sides will become so enflamed that they will forget how Christ has told us to act.

I speak because I have made more than my share of mistakes in God&#039;s church.

Thank you for the informational article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good article.  We must not forget that the IMB board is accountable not only to the SBC convention but also to God himself.  There are too many of us grassroots believers who are praying for God to ignore us.  He is the ultimate judge and will call to task all whose motivations are not pure.</p>
<p>I think it is vital for those who are on the &#8220;outside&#8221; of this controversy to take our grievances to the One who will discipline and forgive.  I&#8217;m so thankful that I and my church haven&#8217;t received what we deserve for we have made many mistakes.  AS the body of Christ, Christ has disciplined us and humbled us.  As an important governing body, God will discipline and deal with the IMB board but we must be faithful to pray and ask the Lord to handle it.</p>
<p>Many saints are praying about this issue.  The Lord is too mighty and too in charge to turn His head.  It is vital that we acknowledge we are helpless and that we humble ourselves and pray for Him to handle it.</p>
<p>Nothing comes from fussing.  We must be Christians in word and in deed.  </p>
<p>That is what I fear &#8212; Christians on both sides will become so enflamed that they will forget how Christ has told us to act.</p>
<p>I speak because I have made more than my share of mistakes in God&#8217;s church.</p>
<p>Thank you for the informational article.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I have altered the sentence you pointed out. Thanks very much.

I just reread the post carefully and noted where I said IMB and where I said SBC. I think I made it really really clear that the SBC hasn&#039;t done this, and the IMB has acted way out of step with the SBCs confessions and practice.

If I&#039;ve failed to make that clear, please let me know and I will remove the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I have altered the sentence you pointed out. Thanks very much.</p>
<p>I just reread the post carefully and noted where I said IMB and where I said SBC. I think I made it really really clear that the SBC hasn&#8217;t done this, and the IMB has acted way out of step with the SBCs confessions and practice.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve failed to make that clear, please let me know and I will remove the post.</p>
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