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	<title>Comments on: Big Words, Barbeque and the Bus to the Church That&#8217;s Got It Right: Protestant Ruminations on Church Salesmanship</title>
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		<title>By: Larry Geiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Geiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well just down the road from me here in Cocoa, FL is Sonny&#039;s, Kay&#039;s, Woody&#039;s, Rax by the Trax, Charlie and Jake&#039;s, Fat Boy&#039;s, Slo and Lo, Mr. BBQ, Shane&#039;s Rib Shack, Dustin&#039;s, Ryans, Paul&#039;s Smokehouse, Hog Wild, Smokey Bones, Memaw&#039;s and a little further away is Bubba Lou&#039;s Bodaciaous BBQ.  At least one for each day of the week.  Mmmmmmm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well just down the road from me here in Cocoa, FL is Sonny&#8217;s, Kay&#8217;s, Woody&#8217;s, Rax by the Trax, Charlie and Jake&#8217;s, Fat Boy&#8217;s, Slo and Lo, Mr. BBQ, Shane&#8217;s Rib Shack, Dustin&#8217;s, Ryans, Paul&#8217;s Smokehouse, Hog Wild, Smokey Bones, Memaw&#8217;s and a little further away is Bubba Lou&#8217;s Bodaciaous BBQ.  At least one for each day of the week.  Mmmmmmm!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Austin,

The rubrics of the Mass are the same in the Roman Rite. Someone else mentioned other rites - these follow other rubrics, but all rites/churches in the Roman Catholic Church have the same theology and are all united under the leadership of the Bishop of Rome (i.e., the Pope). I&#039;ve been to Mass all around the world, including in languages I don&#039;t understand (e.g., Polish, Italian, Czech, etc.) but can follow the Mass in the Missal (i.e., Catholic prayer book). It didn&#039;t bother me that I could not understand the language - we are there for the grace of the Sacrifice of the Mass - not the sermon.;^) 

-James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Austin,</p>
<p>The rubrics of the Mass are the same in the Roman Rite. Someone else mentioned other rites &#8211; these follow other rubrics, but all rites/churches in the Roman Catholic Church have the same theology and are all united under the leadership of the Bishop of Rome (i.e., the Pope). I&#8217;ve been to Mass all around the world, including in languages I don&#8217;t understand (e.g., Polish, Italian, Czech, etc.) but can follow the Mass in the Missal (i.e., Catholic prayer book). It didn&#8217;t bother me that I could not understand the language &#8211; we are there for the grace of the Sacrifice of the Mass &#8211; not the sermon.;^) </p>
<p>-James</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Lofland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Lofland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IM,
Sorry about all the BBQ talk. We&#039;re just having fun.
The post itself as usual is outstanding and you really should consider wrting a book now that you are not watching as mucn TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IM,<br />
Sorry about all the BBQ talk. We&#8217;re just having fun.<br />
The post itself as usual is outstanding and you really should consider wrting a book now that you are not watching as mucn TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Lofland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Lofland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas - Yes the Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church which has a barbecue restaurant next door run fully for the profit of the church by a beautiful older woman who will let you know quickly that they don&#039;t allow drinking or bad language.

kcillini77 - I&#039;m sorry to report but I have tried to choke down what is called barbecue in KC and could not do it. I threw most of it away.

Parsifal - hush puppies?!? with barbecue?!?! please come to Texas so we can show the Way.

Memphis Aggie - thanks for he support. NC barbecue is gross.

Curtis - Chicken is a side to barbecue.

Brian Roden- Very good. Excellent, but only barbecue in name.

Ky boy but not now - maybe but based on BBQ in Tennessee other mid-south states I doubt it.

Patrick Lynch - the best NC BBQ you can find is not in NC. It all is bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas &#8211; Yes the Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church which has a barbecue restaurant next door run fully for the profit of the church by a beautiful older woman who will let you know quickly that they don&#8217;t allow drinking or bad language.</p>
<p>kcillini77 &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry to report but I have tried to choke down what is called barbecue in KC and could not do it. I threw most of it away.</p>
<p>Parsifal &#8211; hush puppies?!? with barbecue?!?! please come to Texas so we can show the Way.</p>
<p>Memphis Aggie &#8211; thanks for he support. NC barbecue is gross.</p>
<p>Curtis &#8211; Chicken is a side to barbecue.</p>
<p>Brian Roden- Very good. Excellent, but only barbecue in name.</p>
<p>Ky boy but not now &#8211; maybe but based on BBQ in Tennessee other mid-south states I doubt it.</p>
<p>Patrick Lynch &#8211; the best NC BBQ you can find is not in NC. It all is bad.</p>
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		<title>By: austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

No offense, but the Church of Christ where I grew up in North Alabama were an especially exclusionary bunch.  One local church would take up a weekly ad in the paper criticizing the church practices of the other denominations.  

Combine with that with the fact that the area has a high number of exclusionary baptist and it was quiet a mix.  

My best friend was C.o.C. but a sorry one.  They had a Christmas tree and his mom went with her head uncovered to church, and they used multiple cups at communion.  

My brothers best friend growing up however was old school.  Very old school. One cup, head covered, etc. etc. 

I knew things had changed when the large &quot;liberal&quot; C.o.C. in town put up a new building and it had stained glass windows and a playground. The church actually split over it.  

It seems us baptist do not have a monopoly over church splitting after all, even though we have perfected the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>No offense, but the Church of Christ where I grew up in North Alabama were an especially exclusionary bunch.  One local church would take up a weekly ad in the paper criticizing the church practices of the other denominations.  </p>
<p>Combine with that with the fact that the area has a high number of exclusionary baptist and it was quiet a mix.  </p>
<p>My best friend was C.o.C. but a sorry one.  They had a Christmas tree and his mom went with her head uncovered to church, and they used multiple cups at communion.  </p>
<p>My brothers best friend growing up however was old school.  Very old school. One cup, head covered, etc. etc. </p>
<p>I knew things had changed when the large &#8220;liberal&#8221; C.o.C. in town put up a new building and it had stained glass windows and a playground. The church actually split over it.  </p>
<p>It seems us baptist do not have a monopoly over church splitting after all, even though we have perfected the game.</p>
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		<title>By: austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Martha

Be flattered.  Everyone on the planet wants to appropriate the traditions of the Irish.  They are a great people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Martha</p>
<p>Be flattered.  Everyone on the planet wants to appropriate the traditions of the Irish.  They are a great people.</p>
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		<title>By: austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha,

You make me laugh.  It was basically a time where folks turned around and shook hands and said peace to each other.  I actually saw a couple of folks give the &quot;peace&quot; sign across the church. 

I also laugh at your response to the Celtic service.  You&#039;ve said that before.  Like most folks in the South a large part of my family is Irish, County Cork early 1700&#039;s actually, so I have to admit I was first drawn to this service by the Celtic label.  I also have to admit I was so unaccustomed to episcopal worship, and still am, that I probably couldn&#039;t tell you what is supposed to be Celtic about it other than some of the language used in the prayers seems sort of earthy if that makes sense.  

If I remember right from some of your post you live in Ireland.  Lucky you.  I&#039;m coming over before I die.  I&#039;m getting ready to have my friends over for our annual St. Patricks Day meal.  Last year I butchered a recipe for Lamb Stew.  This year I&#039;m doing corned beef.  Any tips.  

I&#039;ve heard that folks in Ireland sort of shake their heads and chuckle at our obsession with St. Patrick&#039;s Day.  Is that the case?

Regards,
Austin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha,</p>
<p>You make me laugh.  It was basically a time where folks turned around and shook hands and said peace to each other.  I actually saw a couple of folks give the &#8220;peace&#8221; sign across the church. </p>
<p>I also laugh at your response to the Celtic service.  You&#8217;ve said that before.  Like most folks in the South a large part of my family is Irish, County Cork early 1700&#8217;s actually, so I have to admit I was first drawn to this service by the Celtic label.  I also have to admit I was so unaccustomed to episcopal worship, and still am, that I probably couldn&#8217;t tell you what is supposed to be Celtic about it other than some of the language used in the prayers seems sort of earthy if that makes sense.  </p>
<p>If I remember right from some of your post you live in Ireland.  Lucky you.  I&#8217;m coming over before I die.  I&#8217;m getting ready to have my friends over for our annual St. Patricks Day meal.  Last year I butchered a recipe for Lamb Stew.  This year I&#8217;m doing corned beef.  Any tips.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that folks in Ireland sort of shake their heads and chuckle at our obsession with St. Patrick&#8217;s Day.  Is that the case?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Austin</p>
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		<title>By: Anna A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha,

   Rest assured that the hand holding during &quot;Our Father&quot; has pretty much died out, (or I&#039;m going to more orthodox parishes).  The big thing that I&#039;ve noticed is that the friendlier parishes tended to be less orthodox and the more orthodox not very open to new comers.  My  cat and I have lived in 9 different homes in 5 states in her 18 years.  

I normally don&#039;t question anyone&#039;s tastes, but I do have a great deal of difficulty considering shredded meat in a vinegar sauce as bar-b-que.  ;)Sorry, Patrick.  Hope you enjoy it though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha,</p>
<p>   Rest assured that the hand holding during &#8220;Our Father&#8221; has pretty much died out, (or I&#8217;m going to more orthodox parishes).  The big thing that I&#8217;ve noticed is that the friendlier parishes tended to be less orthodox and the more orthodox not very open to new comers.  My  cat and I have lived in 9 different homes in 5 states in her 18 years.  </p>
<p>I normally don&#8217;t question anyone&#8217;s tastes, but I do have a great deal of difficulty considering shredded meat in a vinegar sauce as bar-b-que.  <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> Sorry, Patrick.  Hope you enjoy it though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fifth gen Church of Christ-er, I was raised like this -- &quot;When the Church of Christ or hardheaded Baptists start telling Christian Bob that he’s not saved because he’s a Methodist, it just doesn’t work very well.&quot;

Thankfully, as Landan pointed out, there are large numbers of us who realize that God&#039;s grace extends well beyond our little sect.  Yes, we still have our &quot;hard shell&quot; types just as does the SBC, but the more progressive voice grows almost daily.

PTL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fifth gen Church of Christ-er, I was raised like this &#8212; &#8220;When the Church of Christ or hardheaded Baptists start telling Christian Bob that he’s not saved because he’s a Methodist, it just doesn’t work very well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thankfully, as Landan pointed out, there are large numbers of us who realize that God&#8217;s grace extends well beyond our little sect.  Yes, we still have our &#8220;hard shell&#8221; types just as does the SBC, but the more progressive voice grows almost daily.</p>
<p>PTL!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to this thread (and this crazy SEVENTY DEGREES we&#039;re going to have tomorrow, after SNOW two days ago! what.), I&#039;m going to go hunting for the best NC BBQ I can find this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to this thread (and this crazy SEVENTY DEGREES we&#8217;re going to have tomorrow, after SNOW two days ago! what.), I&#8217;m going to go hunting for the best NC BBQ I can find this weekend.</p>
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