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		<title>By: Ed J</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/back-to-the-trenches/comment-page-1#comment-542735</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 08:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Bobby.

ID simply says that we can use science to show that design is present with some rigor. Behe&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Edge of Evolution&lt;/I&gt; is devastating for the conventional view of an evolution without intervention by God. To me as a Christian, it&#039;s just silly to think that the God who intervened in the life of Abraham, parted the Red Sea, and sent His son to die on a cross and to be physically resurrected was for some reason too scrupulous to leave any fingerprints when He created the universe and formed life on earth. Why? To make it easier to doubt Him? We don&#039;t need any extra help with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Bobby.</p>
<p>ID simply says that we can use science to show that design is present with some rigor. Behe&#8217;s <i>Edge of Evolution</i> is devastating for the conventional view of an evolution without intervention by God. To me as a Christian, it&#8217;s just silly to think that the God who intervened in the life of Abraham, parted the Red Sea, and sent His son to die on a cross and to be physically resurrected was for some reason too scrupulous to leave any fingerprints when He created the universe and formed life on earth. Why? To make it easier to doubt Him? We don&#8217;t need any extra help with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/back-to-the-trenches/comment-page-1#comment-542241</link>
		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 23:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I find it interesting that Intelligent Design is not even considered amongst folks...&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s because ID got hijacked by YEC as its latest coat of camouflage paint.

When somebody says &quot;Intelligent Design&quot;, you have to ask:

Intelligent Design as in &quot;thinking God&#039;s thoughts after Him&quot;, as in &quot;Natural Theology&quot;, a tradition of philosophical foundation of Western science?

Or Intelligent Design (nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean know what I mean), a coat of camouflage paint for Young Earth Creationism Uber Alles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I find it interesting that Intelligent Design is not even considered amongst folks&#8230;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s because ID got hijacked by YEC as its latest coat of camouflage paint.</p>
<p>When somebody says &#8220;Intelligent Design&#8221;, you have to ask:</p>
<p>Intelligent Design as in &#8220;thinking God&#8217;s thoughts after Him&#8221;, as in &#8220;Natural Theology&#8221;, a tradition of philosophical foundation of Western science?</p>
<p>Or Intelligent Design (nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean know what I mean), a coat of camouflage paint for Young Earth Creationism Uber Alles?</p>
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		<title>By: nedbrek</title>
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		<dc:creator>nedbrek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, phylogenetic trees are built using morphology or genetics.  What else is there?  Observing animals bringing forth after their kind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, phylogenetic trees are built using morphology or genetics.  What else is there?  Observing animals bringing forth after their kind?</p>
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		<title>By: Time to Go to the Mattresses: Another Rant on the Creation Wars &#171; Everyone&#39;s Entitled to Joe&#39;s Opinion</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/back-to-the-trenches/comment-page-1#comment-541974</link>
		<dc:creator>Time to Go to the Mattresses: Another Rant on the Creation Wars &#171; Everyone&#39;s Entitled to Joe&#39;s Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Back to the Trenches! Chaplain Mike at internetmonk.com offers his take on the recent developments in the creation wars. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Back to the Trenches! Chaplain Mike at internetmonk.com offers his take on the recent developments in the creation wars. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nedbrek</title>
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		<dc:creator>nedbrek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they are teaching YEC is required for salvation, then call them on it.  If they are not repentant, form a group of refugees (inside the church, if they&#039;ll allow it - else outside).

You have to meet with other people.  Lone Christians get weird (see Harold Camping).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are teaching YEC is required for salvation, then call them on it.  If they are not repentant, form a group of refugees (inside the church, if they&#8217;ll allow it &#8211; else outside).</p>
<p>You have to meet with other people.  Lone Christians get weird (see Harold Camping).</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas db</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/back-to-the-trenches/comment-page-1#comment-541923</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the fact that Adam and Eve wouldn&#039;t have been able to eat or breath is hardly a concern for some YEC&#039;s.  I have heard plenty of imaginative theories about what everything ate before the fall, and what would happen if, say, Adam were to step on an insect or ingest a bacterium....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the fact that Adam and Eve wouldn&#8217;t have been able to eat or breath is hardly a concern for some YEC&#8217;s.  I have heard plenty of imaginative theories about what everything ate before the fall, and what would happen if, say, Adam were to step on an insect or ingest a bacterium&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas db</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukas db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except our &#039;Rome&#039; is a hive mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except our &#8216;Rome&#8217; is a hive mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas db</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukas db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Deism, God is a stranger, a distant monarch.  In Panentheism, God is my mom.  In Theism, God is....whatever he has willed to be.  And he has chosen to be my father, friend, king and savior.  

For me, the choice seems clear.   God doesn&#039;t seem like God in any system but theism.  But that&#039;s just me; I can understand why some people are deists.  It is perhaps a bit of a more &lt;em&gt;reasonable&lt;/em&gt; thing to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Deism, God is a stranger, a distant monarch.  In Panentheism, God is my mom.  In Theism, God is&#8230;.whatever he has willed to be.  And he has chosen to be my father, friend, king and savior.  </p>
<p>For me, the choice seems clear.   God doesn&#8217;t seem like God in any system but theism.  But that&#8217;s just me; I can understand why some people are deists.  It is perhaps a bit of a more <em>reasonable</em> thing to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas db</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/back-to-the-trenches/comment-page-1#comment-541918</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God is Islam&#039;s Eternal Trump Card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is Islam&#8217;s Eternal Trump Card.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas db</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/back-to-the-trenches/comment-page-1#comment-541917</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 04:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good analogy.  Simple. relevant and straightforward.  It cuts to the heart of the matter; God controls and creates, but at the same time natural processes are effective agents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good analogy.  Simple. relevant and straightforward.  It cuts to the heart of the matter; God controls and creates, but at the same time natural processes are effective agents.</p>
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