Comments on: An Analysis of the Emerging Church http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:03:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Histrion (Jay H) http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-63309 Histrion (Jay H) Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:14:46 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-63309 Michael writes: <i>I am not calling this man names [...] the Barny Fife’s of the internet need to be put up where we can see and hear them.</i> I feel that it would be improper of me not to point out, as lovingly as possible, that you just called him a name. Michael writes: I am not calling this man names […] the Barny Fife’s of the internet need to be put up where we can see and hear them.

I feel that it would be improper of me not to point out, as lovingly as possible, that you just called him a name.

]]> By: Phillip Winn http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-63298 Phillip Winn Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:02:24 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-63298 I was amazed to learn that hard drives slow down as they get full. I'm not sure which amazed me more: the utter nonsense of that statement, or the idea that he considers his brain "almost full." It is universally known and understood that old people know everything. Everybody knows it. I was amazed to learn that hard drives slow down as they get full. I’m not sure which amazed me more: the utter nonsense of that statement, or the idea that he considers his brain “almost full.”

It is universally known and understood that old people know everything. Everybody knows it.

]]> By: Michael Spencer http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-58925 Michael Spencer Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:17:46 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-58925 Again, I appreciate Dan and his brotherly correction. But this video presents a man pretending to speak intelligently on a subject he knows nothing about. He is selling his ignorance as Biblical truth. He is, in ignorance, portraying good people as "stupid." (His word) The ignorance is so deep that it parodies itself. And the reason I have it up is to demonstrate that some of those making the loudest noise about knowing the emerging church don't know any more than I know about brain surgery. The problem is poised wrongly if it is "Why don't you go to him personally?" or "Why don't you treat the guy in a loving manner?" In this big extended family of ours, putting that video out to demonstrate the levels of sad ignorance that pretend to be authorities in this discussion is kind, brotherly and loving. I am not calling this man names or belittling him. He's selling himself. In a discussion that ultimately has to do with the shape of the church in the next generation, the Barny Fife's of the internet need to be put up where we can see and hear them. Again, I appreciate Dan and his brotherly correction.

But this video presents a man pretending to speak intelligently on a subject he knows nothing about. He is selling his ignorance as Biblical truth. He is, in ignorance, portraying good people as “stupid.” (His word)

The ignorance is so deep that it parodies itself. And the reason I have it up is to demonstrate that some of those making the loudest noise about knowing the emerging church don’t know any more than I know about brain surgery.

The problem is poised wrongly if it is “Why don’t you go to him personally?” or “Why don’t you treat the guy in a loving manner?” In this big extended family of ours, putting that video out to demonstrate the levels of sad ignorance that pretend to be authorities in this discussion is kind, brotherly and loving.

I am not calling this man names or belittling him. He’s selling himself. In a discussion that ultimately has to do with the shape of the church in the next generation, the Barny Fife’s of the internet need to be put up where we can see and hear them.

]]> By: Bill Kinnon http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-58318 Bill Kinnon Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:54:58 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-58318 Dan left a similar comment @ on my post which linked to this post. <a href="http://www.kinnon.tv/2007/03/christian_sarca.html" rel="nofollow">I responded</a> with a rather long-winded (no shock there) post that questions whether sarcasm, parody and satirical video mashups are appropriate for Christians - assuming emehgingchuwch is a Christian. It gave me the opportunity to point to Galations 5:12 and also mention Chesterton and Waugh - which is always fun. (Don't tell anyone they were both Catholic Christians, please.) Dan left a similar comment @ on my post which linked to this post. I responded with a rather long-winded (no shock there) post that questions whether sarcasm, parody and satirical video mashups are appropriate for Christians - assuming emehgingchuwch is a Christian.

It gave me the opportunity to point to Galations 5:12 and also mention Chesterton and Waugh - which is always fun. (Don’t tell anyone they were both Catholic Christians, please.)

]]> By: Michael Spencer http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-58200 Michael Spencer Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:36:15 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-58200 While accepting your brotherly correction to what could be malicious sarcasm, I have to disagree as to what a humorous response actually means. A serious response would be to take a very un-serious analysis seriously.(And persecution is what the words of Jesus are framed in response to, not ignorant misrepresentation.) This isn't persecution of the emerging church. This is a guy who hasn't read a book or done any research sitting in front of his computer talking to the air like an expert. His ignorance should be pointed out without doing him harm, i.e. book of Proverbs. Poking him as a bit of humorous example of faux expertise is hardly doing him evil or reviling him. At times and speaking for myself, I'm quite torn between the humility of gentle humor, and the pride of a too serious response. While accepting your brotherly correction to what could be malicious sarcasm, I have to disagree as to what a humorous response actually means. A serious response would be to take a very un-serious analysis seriously.(And persecution is what the words of Jesus are framed in response to, not ignorant misrepresentation.) This isn’t persecution of the emerging church. This is a guy who hasn’t read a book or done any research sitting in front of his computer talking to the air like an expert. His ignorance should be pointed out without doing him harm, i.e. book of Proverbs.

Poking him as a bit of humorous example of faux expertise is hardly doing him evil or reviling him.

At times and speaking for myself, I’m quite torn between the humility of gentle humor, and the pride of a too serious response.

]]> By: danedelen http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-57755 danedelen Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:58:38 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-57755 Below is the correct response to this: Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing. ---1 Peter 3:9 Below is the correct response to this:

Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing.
—1 Peter 3:9

]]> By: tanegeel http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-55439 tanegeel Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:59:32 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-55439 All right, all right Michael. That part about "beat music" was funny in retrospect. I guess you have to laugh to keep from shaking your head. I mean, seriously, rhythm is the devil's music? What misdirected time machine did he fall out of? And rock n' roll music is chock full of subversive Satanic backmasking, too. All right, all right Michael. That part about “beat music” was funny in retrospect. I guess you have to laugh to keep from shaking your head. I mean, seriously, rhythm is the devil’s music? What misdirected time machine did he fall out of? And rock n’ roll music is chock full of subversive Satanic backmasking, too.

]]> By: CAndiron http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-55290 CAndiron Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:33:59 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-55290 Why don't you join in the craze & post a video response. I've searched youtube for permutations of imonk, spencer, etc. but nothing comes up. Why don’t you join in the craze & post a video response. I’ve searched youtube for permutations of imonk, spencer, etc. but nothing comes up.

]]> By: jmanning http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-54986 jmanning Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:26:21 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-54986 He may not have a point, but he points towards one alerting characteristic of ECs...the lack in many churches of older, more seasoned members. Though he believes its b/c of "youthful rebellion", I think it is just because they don't like the fancy coffee us youngsters drink... He may not have a point, but he points towards one alerting characteristic of ECs…the lack in many churches of older, more seasoned members. Though he believes its b/c of “youthful rebellion”, I think it is just because they don’t like the fancy coffee us youngsters drink…

]]> By: rustyhinges http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-54651 rustyhinges Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:48:27 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/an-analysis-of-the-emerging-church#comment-54651 Yeah, this guy is a crack up. It'd be even funnier if I hadn't spent years with someone very similar but more convincing. He's oblivious of the fact that though some are older and in control doesn't mean they are wise and right. Another false assumption is that the way he and much of the institutional church are doing things is Christ's way. You think Jesus would minister the westernized, institutional, clergy-centered way we've chosen? Of course, I still feel free to follow the Spirit to where he's leading. The video only adds fuel to the fire. Thanks Michael. Yeah, this guy is a crack up. It’d be even funnier if I hadn’t spent years with someone very similar but more convincing.

He’s oblivious of the fact that though some are older and in control doesn’t mean they are wise and right.

Another false assumption is that the way he and much of the institutional church are doing things is Christ’s way. You think Jesus would minister the westernized, institutional, clergy-centered way we’ve chosen?

Of course, I still feel free to follow the Spirit to where he’s leading. The video only adds fuel to the fire.

Thanks Michael.

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