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	<title>Comments on: Adjectives and Calvinists: A Killer Combination</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: John Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/adjectives-and-calvinists-a-killer-combination/comment-page-2#comment-497423</link>
		<dc:creator>John Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if those statements are true, then what&#039;s the problem?

I do have a problem with adjectives like &quot;revered.&quot;  And &quot;ecclesiastical statesman&quot; is a real problem.  This has been the problem with the Church ever since Constantine.  It&#039;s the &quot;bad marriage&quot; (English for &quot;Pergamos&quot;) between church and state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if those statements are true, then what&#8217;s the problem?</p>
<p>I do have a problem with adjectives like &#8220;revered.&#8221;  And &#8220;ecclesiastical statesman&#8221; is a real problem.  This has been the problem with the Church ever since Constantine.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;bad marriage&#8221; (English for &#8220;Pergamos&#8221;) between church and state.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok... this post adds nothing to any profitable discussion at all.  Please dispute any of the claims below with a historian (Calvinist or not, Protestant or not, Christian or not), and they will laugh at you.

&quot;All of these statements about Calvin are true.  He wasn&#039;t the most important man in the world, no one is saying that. But there is nothing similar to this description and a Catholic presentation of a saint.

In turn, those lofty ideas helped fashion the founding principles of Western civilization, giving rise to the republican form of government, the ideals of public education, and the philosophy of free-market capitalism. A world-class theologian, a revered exegete, a renowned teacher, an ecclesiastical statesman, an influential Reformer — he was all of these and more. His name was John Calvin.&quot;

Intelligent commentary on any of these would have been informative, or possibly helpful.  This post however is simply uninformed and annoying.

Believe me, there are plenty of things Calvinists can and should be given a hard time about.  But this is just not one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230; this post adds nothing to any profitable discussion at all.  Please dispute any of the claims below with a historian (Calvinist or not, Protestant or not, Christian or not), and they will laugh at you.</p>
<p>&#8220;All of these statements about Calvin are true.  He wasn&#8217;t the most important man in the world, no one is saying that. But there is nothing similar to this description and a Catholic presentation of a saint.</p>
<p>In turn, those lofty ideas helped fashion the founding principles of Western civilization, giving rise to the republican form of government, the ideals of public education, and the philosophy of free-market capitalism. A world-class theologian, a revered exegete, a renowned teacher, an ecclesiastical statesman, an influential Reformer — he was all of these and more. His name was John Calvin.&#8221;</p>
<p>Intelligent commentary on any of these would have been informative, or possibly helpful.  This post however is simply uninformed and annoying.</p>
<p>Believe me, there are plenty of things Calvinists can and should be given a hard time about.  But this is just not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrissl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Mary Tudor was Queen of England (about which Calvin did have a thing or two to say!), a number of English Protestants found it suddenly more congenial to spend time abroad, in places like Geneva. Sir William Stafford was one of them. He was such an admirer of Calvin that when his youngest son was born (to his second wife Dorothy), Sir William actually proposed to name the boy &quot;Calvin&quot; (thus forever derailing the historical timeline of comic strips, among other things ;)).

The story is that when John Calvin himself found out about this, however, he was appalled, and persuaded Sir William to name the boy John instead. So perhaps Calvin exhibited a bit more humility than some of his posthumous admirers would like ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Mary Tudor was Queen of England (about which Calvin did have a thing or two to say!), a number of English Protestants found it suddenly more congenial to spend time abroad, in places like Geneva. Sir William Stafford was one of them. He was such an admirer of Calvin that when his youngest son was born (to his second wife Dorothy), Sir William actually proposed to name the boy &#8220;Calvin&#8221; (thus forever derailing the historical timeline of comic strips, among other things <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
<p>The story is that when John Calvin himself found out about this, however, he was appalled, and persuaded Sir William to name the boy John instead. So perhaps Calvin exhibited a bit more humility than some of his posthumous admirers would like <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 08:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree *with,* not &quot;what&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree *with,* not &#8220;what&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 08:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was written by Steve Lawson?  What is the book?  I have to know! :-)  

I admire Lawson as a powerful expository preacher, but you&#039;re right, Michael-- his rhetoric got loose from him this time and created something sublimely, if unintentionally, comedic! (I agree what much of the *substance* of what he wrote here, but man-- it&#039;s almost Faulkneresque!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was written by Steve Lawson?  What is the book?  I have to know! <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>I admire Lawson as a powerful expository preacher, but you&#8217;re right, Michael&#8211; his rhetoric got loose from him this time and created something sublimely, if unintentionally, comedic! (I agree what much of the *substance* of what he wrote here, but man&#8211; it&#8217;s almost Faulkneresque!)</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 08:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I take some time to read and comment on some other blogs (and on Facebook), and I miss some gems here! :-)  

I&#039;m a Christian who is a joyful &quot;five-pointer&quot; (as in Calvin, Piper, Storms, desiring and enjoying God, etc.), but this avalanche of rhetorical overkill is one of the funniest things that I have read in some time!  That&#039;s it, I&#039;m posting it to my Facebook page-- my friends will get a kick out of it, five-pointers or not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I take some time to read and comment on some other blogs (and on Facebook), and I miss some gems here! <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Christian who is a joyful &#8220;five-pointer&#8221; (as in Calvin, Piper, Storms, desiring and enjoying God, etc.), but this avalanche of rhetorical overkill is one of the funniest things that I have read in some time!  That&#8217;s it, I&#8217;m posting it to my Facebook page&#8211; my friends will get a kick out of it, five-pointers or not!</p>
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		<title>By: Brendt Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendt Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;(Yeah, I&#039;m late to the party. What&#039;s new?)&lt;/i&gt;

A long time ago I decided that, even though I believe in the (actual) fundamentals of the faith, I&#039;d &lt;b&gt;never&lt;/b&gt; self-identify as a fundamentalist because of all the &lt;i&gt;skubala&lt;/i&gt; that the hyper-fundies have attached to that word.

Even though I am theologically very similar to John Calvin, I&#039;m this close (thumb and forefinger an angstrom apart) from adding &quot;Calvinist&quot; to that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(Yeah, I&#8217;m late to the party. What&#8217;s new?)</i></p>
<p>A long time ago I decided that, even though I believe in the (actual) fundamentals of the faith, I&#8217;d <b>never</b> self-identify as a fundamentalist because of all the <i>skubala</i> that the hyper-fundies have attached to that word.</p>
<p>Even though I am theologically very similar to John Calvin, I&#8217;m this close (thumb and forefinger an angstrom apart) from adding &#8220;Calvinist&#8221; to that list.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 13:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curtis, her parents were from Waterford and she was reared in Cork, so she probably did have an accent sounding sumtin&#039; loike dat, bye! (something like that, boy!)

But I do wish the reverend father had restrained the novelistic impulse and just put it all in English :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis, her parents were from Waterford and she was reared in Cork, so she probably did have an accent sounding sumtin&#8217; loike dat, bye! (something like that, boy!)</p>
<p>But I do wish the reverend father had restrained the novelistic impulse and just put it all in English <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That truck was predestined to run over you!
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That truck was predestined to run over you!<br />
 <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha,
Yes, by Tweety Bird, I was referring to her cutesy lisp. &quot;Mudda&quot; instead of &quot;mother&quot; and so on. A freakish cross between Shirley Temple and Sarah Palin.

I should write a quaint infancy narrative for M. Jean Chauvin... &quot;Gosh golly, mamma, I dunno how preacha say Jesus die for AWWWL folks when da Bible say he done die jis&#039; fer dee elect&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha,<br />
Yes, by Tweety Bird, I was referring to her cutesy lisp. &#8220;Mudda&#8221; instead of &#8220;mother&#8221; and so on. A freakish cross between Shirley Temple and Sarah Palin.</p>
<p>I should write a quaint infancy narrative for M. Jean Chauvin&#8230; &#8220;Gosh golly, mamma, I dunno how preacha say Jesus die for AWWWL folks when da Bible say he done die jis&#8217; fer dee elect&#8221;</p>
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