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		<title>By: weeklinks.03.15.08 &#171; one degree of glory&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>weeklinks.03.15.08 &#171; one degree of glory&#8230;</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] an old post, but good thoughts from iMonk&#8230;what do you do when your child doesn&#8217;t believe anymore? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Moral Relativism - Part 3 &#171; Community of the Risen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moral Relativism - Part 3 &#171; Community of the Risen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 11, 2008 &#183; No Comments  Michael Spencer and Scot McKnight have written important blogs on children who walk away from God. Spencer&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GranpaJohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>GranpaJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a passion in my heart for those who must struggle and wonder over the eternal souls of those whom the Lord of Glory has put into their lives, especially those who come from their own loins. 
At 55 I have poured my heart out over three; one now a Godly father of the worldâ€™s three greatest granddaughters, another a simply awesome Godly house parent in a Christian boarding school and the last, the current praise team leader at our church. I personally had no church no faith no camps and no Godly guidance as a youth. Both my parents died â€œlostâ€. 
My oldest son had spurious catholic contact after I divorced when he was 3; occasional Baptist influence and a straight out of High School marriage. He was certain there was no Real God in those religion crutches. Lots of prayers, visits, Bible discussion and did I mention prayers? At 26 Christ become real in his life. 
My daughter was 2 when I â€œreceived Christâ€, was always in church after that, and was saved and baptized 5 or 6 times before it was real at 21. During the teen years there were MANY nights, following her in the car, then sitting outside where she was at praying, and praying and praying. She went as far as to attempt to serve Satan. Now she leads a wonderful Girls dorm devotion. At 4 my youngest son begged to receive Christ so he would not burn in hell. Always in church, camps, involved and I have never doubted his Son ship. His love for music and gifted voice allow him, now 26, to encourage others to love Christ more, each Sunday morning. 

Before I had children I had a thousand theories on how to raise the perfect child. Now I have three adult children, and NO theories. Each day I used what worked for that day, the only consistency is found in Godâ€™s Holy Word. Be found in it continually, not often. Influencing our children for Christ is the most important task in our lives. They are influenced by both the good and the bad they see in us and in those we allow to influence them. So speaking from this basis I advise others, Pray MUCH, Peek into their affairs often, Preach MORE through actions than words, Pause twice before telling them how they MUST do it, and Plead with your heavenly father to somehow do a Romans 8:28 thing over the stupid thing you just did. 
Michael, your essay ministers, your thoughts help but it is your evident personal relationship which enables you to rightly divide the truth and the error before you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a passion in my heart for those who must struggle and wonder over the eternal souls of those whom the Lord of Glory has put into their lives, especially those who come from their own loins.<br />
At 55 I have poured my heart out over three; one now a Godly father of the worldâ€™s three greatest granddaughters, another a simply awesome Godly house parent in a Christian boarding school and the last, the current praise team leader at our church. I personally had no church no faith no camps and no Godly guidance as a youth. Both my parents died â€œlostâ€.<br />
My oldest son had spurious catholic contact after I divorced when he was 3; occasional Baptist influence and a straight out of High School marriage. He was certain there was no Real God in those religion crutches. Lots of prayers, visits, Bible discussion and did I mention prayers? At 26 Christ become real in his life.<br />
My daughter was 2 when I â€œreceived Christâ€, was always in church after that, and was saved and baptized 5 or 6 times before it was real at 21. During the teen years there were MANY nights, following her in the car, then sitting outside where she was at praying, and praying and praying. She went as far as to attempt to serve Satan. Now she leads a wonderful Girls dorm devotion. At 4 my youngest son begged to receive Christ so he would not burn in hell. Always in church, camps, involved and I have never doubted his Son ship. His love for music and gifted voice allow him, now 26, to encourage others to love Christ more, each Sunday morning. </p>
<p>Before I had children I had a thousand theories on how to raise the perfect child. Now I have three adult children, and NO theories. Each day I used what worked for that day, the only consistency is found in Godâ€™s Holy Word. Be found in it continually, not often. Influencing our children for Christ is the most important task in our lives. They are influenced by both the good and the bad they see in us and in those we allow to influence them. So speaking from this basis I advise others, Pray MUCH, Peek into their affairs often, Preach MORE through actions than words, Pause twice before telling them how they MUST do it, and Plead with your heavenly father to somehow do a Romans 8:28 thing over the stupid thing you just did.<br />
Michael, your essay ministers, your thoughts help but it is your evident personal relationship which enables you to rightly divide the truth and the error before you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren at Faith Fuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren at Faith Fuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Christianity isnâ€™t about politics, tacky Christian music or television evangelists on TBN. Being a Christian isnâ€™t being a preacher or an angry anti-gay protester. Itâ€™s not being like your parents or your pastor. Itâ€™s not promising to be like the weirdo Christians at your Christian school, be they teachers or students. Christianity is about Christ. Jesus. Who he is, what he did, what it means....the ONLY thing that matters in his rejection of Christianity is Jesus. The rest you can throw overboard any time you want.&quot;

Amen. Because too often that&#039;s really what the teenager is rejecting- the composite picture we&#039;ve put together of what we think a Christian should look like, smell like, and talk like. We want to reproduce a little junior who fears no evil, sees no evil...and junior has seen way too much already in this world to play naive and blind.

Thanks for sharing such a sober minded, realistic understanding of the battle kids face...when they grow up in Christian homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Christianity isnâ€™t about politics, tacky Christian music or television evangelists on TBN. Being a Christian isnâ€™t being a preacher or an angry anti-gay protester. Itâ€™s not being like your parents or your pastor. Itâ€™s not promising to be like the weirdo Christians at your Christian school, be they teachers or students. Christianity is about Christ. Jesus. Who he is, what he did, what it means&#8230;.the ONLY thing that matters in his rejection of Christianity is Jesus. The rest you can throw overboard any time you want.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen. Because too often that&#8217;s really what the teenager is rejecting- the composite picture we&#8217;ve put together of what we think a Christian should look like, smell like, and talk like. We want to reproduce a little junior who fears no evil, sees no evil&#8230;and junior has seen way too much already in this world to play naive and blind.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing such a sober minded, realistic understanding of the battle kids face&#8230;when they grow up in Christian homes.</p>
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		<title>By: K.B. Housley</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.B. Housley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a word of warning about using Christian camps as an influence on unbelieving youngsters: you&#039;ll be playing with fire. As a kid, I resented the camps and the youth meetings and more I was subjected to. For me, it was moving away from my grandmother (and the imposed religion living near her entailed) that began creating the conditions that allowed me to look at Christianity for the first time.

Having been a counselor at a Christian camp now  and having a brother, sister and cousins all going through the camp, youth group and children&#039;s church rounds, I wonder if the the proper good influence can be found easily. Christian camps are all too often rand on the emotion-driven sort of Christianity- I&#039;ll never forget the scenes of my childhood (and the scenes I saw fellow counselors try to create) of crying kids at altar calls. In short, there&#039;s no quicker way to breed resentment against Christianity than sending a kid to the wrong camp.

The kids who didn&#039;t believe, or didn&#039;t care as much that I saw go in camp were often embittered at having to be there, and were very hard to reach as a result. Many of my coworkers tried to move them by shame, which made me sick and upset. Once, at a group activity, instead of forcing a kid who felt alienated into it, I sat at the table with him and played chess and talked to him. A once alone kid was begining to feel a little better. As a result, I was harassed by two coworkers for not making him go play games and listen to music with the rest of the kids. And this was a camp that was better-run than any I attended as a kid.

Of course, a camp with good thoughtful counselors and more could be a great influence- but where are they?

- K.B.H., Louisville</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a word of warning about using Christian camps as an influence on unbelieving youngsters: you&#8217;ll be playing with fire. As a kid, I resented the camps and the youth meetings and more I was subjected to. For me, it was moving away from my grandmother (and the imposed religion living near her entailed) that began creating the conditions that allowed me to look at Christianity for the first time.</p>
<p>Having been a counselor at a Christian camp now  and having a brother, sister and cousins all going through the camp, youth group and children&#8217;s church rounds, I wonder if the the proper good influence can be found easily. Christian camps are all too often rand on the emotion-driven sort of Christianity- I&#8217;ll never forget the scenes of my childhood (and the scenes I saw fellow counselors try to create) of crying kids at altar calls. In short, there&#8217;s no quicker way to breed resentment against Christianity than sending a kid to the wrong camp.</p>
<p>The kids who didn&#8217;t believe, or didn&#8217;t care as much that I saw go in camp were often embittered at having to be there, and were very hard to reach as a result. Many of my coworkers tried to move them by shame, which made me sick and upset. Once, at a group activity, instead of forcing a kid who felt alienated into it, I sat at the table with him and played chess and talked to him. A once alone kid was begining to feel a little better. As a result, I was harassed by two coworkers for not making him go play games and listen to music with the rest of the kids. And this was a camp that was better-run than any I attended as a kid.</p>
<p>Of course, a camp with good thoughtful counselors and more could be a great influence- but where are they?</p>
<p>- K.B.H., Louisville</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KBH

A point that needed to be made, but I have probably participated in over 50 camps in my ministry, and I really saw very little to be concerned about FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ALEX. Keep my context in mind here.

The Kentucky Baptist camps that I was part of were not perfect, but they were professionally done, ethically done and aside from the Thursday night cry pretty dull.

I am big on the relationships these camps encourage. My kids were both positively influenced by camps. Just the &quot;nudge&quot; that was needed.

If there are &quot;bad&quot; camps out there, avoid them. Parents should only send a child to a camp they have checked out. We did, and it worked well. I would recommend the same for anyone else....with due caution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KBH</p>
<p>A point that needed to be made, but I have probably participated in over 50 camps in my ministry, and I really saw very little to be concerned about FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ALEX. Keep my context in mind here.</p>
<p>The Kentucky Baptist camps that I was part of were not perfect, but they were professionally done, ethically done and aside from the Thursday night cry pretty dull.</p>
<p>I am big on the relationships these camps encourage. My kids were both positively influenced by camps. Just the &#8220;nudge&#8221; that was needed.</p>
<p>If there are &#8220;bad&#8221; camps out there, avoid them. Parents should only send a child to a camp they have checked out. We did, and it worked well. I would recommend the same for anyone else&#8230;.with due caution.</p>
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		<title>By: K.B. Housley</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.B. Housley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My statement was more in general, rather than in response to your advice to this family (who I do not know). That is, I was making it for parents who might look to your article as a source of general advice. I apologize if it came off know-it-all-y or bitter.

- K.B.H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My statement was more in general, rather than in response to your advice to this family (who I do not know). That is, I was making it for parents who might look to your article as a source of general advice. I apologize if it came off know-it-all-y or bitter.</p>
<p>- K.B.H.</p>
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		<title>By: David McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any advice for those of us with grown up children not following Christ? Only one of our 4 [our daughter] is a believer.

We pray for the boys and we talk about our christian activities, and occasionally talk about the gospel, but we don&#039;t want to &quot;harp.&quot;

Our daughter also tries to share with them, but seemingly doesn&#039;t usually get very far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any advice for those of us with grown up children not following Christ? Only one of our 4 [our daughter] is a believer.</p>
<p>We pray for the boys and we talk about our christian activities, and occasionally talk about the gospel, but we don&#8217;t want to &#8220;harp.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our daughter also tries to share with them, but seemingly doesn&#8217;t usually get very far.</p>
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		<title>By: imonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>imonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question David, but as I am sure you anticipate, it&#039;s quite different.

I use the analogy of a hand of cards. When we have small children at home, most of the cards of &quot;influence&quot; in their hands are parental. As they get older, they deal away parental cards and pick up other cards.

By the time they are adults, the &quot;parental&quot; cards in the hand are important cards, but there aren&#039;t as many of them and they don&#039;t hold the influence they once did. We did what we could, now we are relating to adult children, and they will make up their own minds. Which is exactly what I want from my kids---I want them to choose for themselves what they believe. Integrity is important. And God will work as God chooses as well. I would never despair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question David, but as I am sure you anticipate, it&#8217;s quite different.</p>
<p>I use the analogy of a hand of cards. When we have small children at home, most of the cards of &#8220;influence&#8221; in their hands are parental. As they get older, they deal away parental cards and pick up other cards.</p>
<p>By the time they are adults, the &#8220;parental&#8221; cards in the hand are important cards, but there aren&#8217;t as many of them and they don&#8217;t hold the influence they once did. We did what we could, now we are relating to adult children, and they will make up their own minds. Which is exactly what I want from my kids&#8212;I want them to choose for themselves what they believe. Integrity is important. And God will work as God chooses as well. I would never despair.</p>
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		<title>By: Camassia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camassia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it happens, in church this morning the pastor talked about the Amish custom of letting teenagers run around for a couple years and then decide if they wanted to be Amish or not. About 85% of them go back home, apparently. They don&#039;t actually get baptized until then, in their late teens. Do other adult-baptist traditions have customs like that? It seems sensible, but it sounds like most evangelicals expect their kids to toe the line all the way along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it happens, in church this morning the pastor talked about the Amish custom of letting teenagers run around for a couple years and then decide if they wanted to be Amish or not. About 85% of them go back home, apparently. They don&#8217;t actually get baptized until then, in their late teens. Do other adult-baptist traditions have customs like that? It seems sensible, but it sounds like most evangelicals expect their kids to toe the line all the way along.</p>
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