Comments on: A guide to my issues with Rick Warren

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

a few quick questions (geez, sounds like I’m on a Frontliners trip)

1. what is OTOH?
2. what’s the deal with graham?
3. what’s the deal with bright?

By: iMonk

iMonk — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

On the other hand.

The Family Tree of Arminian Revivalism’s takeover of American Christianity:

John Wesley to Charles Finney = Revivalism and revivalist techniques, i.e. the public invitation and all it’s unholy spawn.

Billy Graham and Bill Bright (founder of Campus Crusade and author of the 4 Spiritual laws)= turning Arminian revivalism triumphs with a “Four spiritual laws” version of the Biblical Gospel and the triumph of language like “relationship with Christ,” “ask Jesus into your heart,” etc. We Pray the prayer to get saved.

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

I’ve wondered about that sort of thing in regards to a guy like Al Mohler. He’s an SBC guy, the vast majority of whose pastors use such language, but I wonder if he’s really into it.

Can someone recommend a book that offers a thoughtful and sensitive critique of Bright and Graham?

By: iMonk

iMonk — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Michael Horton, Made in America

By: the Foolish Sage

the Foolish Sage — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

I second the Horton book recommendation.

By: Bob

Bob — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

I have a corollary to your theory that the super teacher is usurping the authority of the local pastor/teacher and that the publishers are making the decisions on who receives the accolades. It goes something like this: the amount of time spent by the average believer reading “Christian” materials is inversely proportional to the amount of time spent in the real source of truth – the Word. Christians don’t eat the meat because they are constantly drinking the milk of publishers. We have the mind of Christ and the Spirit that leads us into all truth. Why don’t we make use of them?

By: Bob2

Bob2 — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Dude-
You need to let go of your bitterness, jealousy and envy, and move on. Have you ever spent any time with boots on the ground at the everyday Saddleback Church, or do you base your thoughts on books, the Internet, and perhaps an occasional conference?

By: Dave

Dave — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

I have spent boot time at Saddleback Valley Community Church, 1-3% carry in Bibles, the majority have let “him” and the variety of “translations” become their “bibles” This man centered way leads to death:
Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. KJV, and Pro 16:25 above repeated verbatim. God says it to us twice!!
We (not just Rick Warren) have moved away form the dark part of the message of the Bible, in the uncovering of man’s severely, evil heart. So we have cut this out in our selective preaching, and incorporated a watered down version of Jesus as a new age, Wayne Dyer type “god” to believe in so that I, I repeat, that I might have a better life…. Predicted to be occuring in the perilous times of the last of the last days.
2nd Timothy, Chapter 3: looks like we are in those days. Read your Bibles folks and use the discernment of the Holy Spirit to lead you to a church/pastor who is preaching the Word in this “out” of season, season.
Psa 119:89 Forever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. In Jesus name, Amen

By: Jeremy Keay

Jeremy Keay — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Right on. You nailed it.

By: Bene Diction Blogs On

Bene Diction Blogs On — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Christianity Inc.

The Daily Kos has an interesting post from a newbie blogger who was raised in an evangelical environment. My main point is that this really is a “culture war”, perhaps not in the sense that you may have thought of it before, being stirred up primarily …